From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Daniel Phillips <daniel@phunq.net>
Cc: Mosis Tembo <mosis.tembo@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
tux3@tux3.org, OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Tux3 Report: How fast can we fail?
Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 23:39:52 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150527213952.GB15721@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b47cf556-0887-43f7-b95c-6e508e40cf97@phunq.net>
On Wed 2015-05-27 11:28:50, Daniel Phillips wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:41:39 PM PDT, Mosis Tembo wrote:
> >On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>>We identified the following quality metrics for this algorithm:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Never fails to detect out of space in the front end.
> >>> 2) Always fills a volume to 100% before reporting out of space.
> >>> 3) Allows rm, rmdir and truncate even when a volume is full.
> >
> >This is definitely nonsense. You can not rm, rmdir and truncate
> >when the volume is full. You will need a free space on disk to perform
> >such operations. Do you know why?
>
> Because some extra space needs to be on the volume in order to do the
> atomic commit. Specifically, there must be enough extra space to keep
> both old and new copies of any changed metadata, plus enough space for
> new data or metadata. You are almost right: we can't support rm, rmdir
> or truncate _with atomic commit_ unless some space is available on the
> volume. So we keep a small reserve to handle those operations, which
> only those operations can access. We define the volume as "full" when
> only the reserve remains. The reserve is not included in "available"
> blocks reported to statfs, so the volume appears to be 100% full when
> only the reserve remains.
>
> For Tux3, that reserve is variable - about 1% of free space, declining
> to a minimum of 10 blocks as free space runs out. Eventually, we will
> reduce the minimum a bit as we develop finer control over how free
> space is used in very low space conditions, but 10 blocks is not bad
> at all. With no journal and only 10 blocks of unusable space, we do
> pretty well with tiny volumes.
Yeah. Filesystem that could not do rm on full filesystem would be
braindead.
Now, what about
1) writing to already-allocated space in existing files?
2) writing to already-allocated space in existing files using mmap?
Pavel
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Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-04-28 23:13 Tux3 Report: How fast can we fsync? Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29 2:21 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-29 6:01 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29 6:20 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 6:56 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29 6:33 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-29 7:23 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29 16:42 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-29 19:05 ` xfs: does mkfs.xfs require fancy switches to get decent performance? (was Tux3 Report: How fast can we fsync?) Mike Galbraith
2015-04-29 19:20 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 21:12 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 4:40 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30 0:20 ` Dave Chinner
2015-04-30 3:35 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30 9:00 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-30 14:57 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-30 15:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 17:59 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-30 11:14 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 12:07 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30 12:58 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 13:48 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30 14:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 14:28 ` Howard Chu
2015-04-30 15:14 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 16:00 ` Howard Chu
2015-04-30 18:22 ` Christian Stroetmann
2015-05-11 22:12 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-11 23:17 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-05-12 2:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 5:38 ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-12 6:18 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 18:39 ` David Lang
2015-05-12 20:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 21:30 ` David Lang
2015-05-12 22:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 22:35 ` David Lang
2015-05-12 23:55 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-05-13 1:26 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 19:09 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-05-13 19:37 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 20:02 ` Jeremy Allison
2015-05-13 20:24 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 20:25 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-05-13 20:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 21:10 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-05-13 0:31 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 21:30 ` Christian Stroetmann
2015-05-13 7:20 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-13 13:47 ` Elifarley Callado Coelho Cruz
2015-05-12 9:03 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-12 11:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 13:26 ` Howard Chu
2015-05-11 23:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 0:12 ` David Lang
2015-05-12 4:36 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 17:30 ` Christian Stroetmann
2015-05-13 7:25 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-13 11:31 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 12:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 13:08 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-13 13:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 14:33 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30 15:24 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29 20:40 ` Tux3 Report: How fast can we fsync? Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29 22:06 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-04-30 3:57 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30 3:50 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30 10:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 1:46 ` Dave Chinner
2015-04-30 10:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-01 15:38 ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-01 23:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-02 1:07 ` David Lang
2015-05-02 10:26 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-02 16:00 ` Christian Stroetmann
2015-05-02 16:30 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-05-02 17:00 ` Christian Stroetmann
2015-05-12 17:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 17:46 ` Tux3 Report: How fast can we fail? Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 22:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26 10:03 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-27 6:41 ` Mosis Tembo
2015-05-27 18:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-27 21:39 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2015-05-27 22:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-28 12:55 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-05-27 7:37 ` Mosis Tembo
2015-05-27 14:04 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-05-27 15:21 ` Mosis Tembo
2015-05-27 15:37 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-05-14 7:37 ` [WIP] tux3: Optimized fsync Daniel Phillips
2015-05-14 8:26 ` [FYI] tux3: Core changes Daniel Phillips
2015-05-14 12:59 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-15 0:06 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-15 3:06 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-15 8:09 ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-15 9:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-15 11:00 ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-16 22:38 ` David Lang
2015-05-18 12:57 ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-15 9:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-27 7:41 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-27 18:09 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-27 21:37 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-27 22:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-15 8:05 ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-17 13:26 ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-05-18 2:20 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-18 7:58 ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-05-19 4:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-21 19:43 ` [WIP][PATCH] tux3: preliminatry nospace handling Daniel Phillips
2015-05-19 14:00 ` [FYI] tux3: Core changes Jan Kara
2015-05-19 19:18 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-19 20:33 ` David Lang
2015-05-20 14:44 ` Jan Kara
2015-05-20 16:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-20 18:01 ` David Lang
2015-05-20 19:53 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-20 22:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-21 3:24 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-21 3:51 ` David Lang
2015-05-21 19:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26 4:25 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-26 4:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26 6:04 ` David Lang
2015-05-26 6:11 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26 6:13 ` David Lang
2015-05-26 8:09 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26 10:13 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-26 7:09 ` Jan Kara
2015-05-26 8:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26 9:00 ` Jan Kara
2015-05-26 20:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26 21:36 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-26 21:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-27 8:41 ` Jan Kara
2015-06-21 15:36 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-06-23 16:12 ` Jan Kara
2015-07-05 12:54 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-07-09 16:05 ` Jan Kara
2015-07-31 4:44 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-07-31 15:37 ` Raymond Jennings
2015-07-31 17:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-07-31 18:29 ` David Lang
2015-07-31 18:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-07-31 22:12 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-07-31 22:27 ` David Lang
2015-08-01 0:00 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-08-01 0:16 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-08-03 13:07 ` Jan Kara
2015-08-01 10:55 ` Elifarley Callado Coelho Cruz
2015-08-18 16:39 ` Rik van Riel
2015-08-03 13:42 ` Jan Kara
2015-08-09 13:42 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-08-10 12:45 ` Jan Kara
2015-08-16 19:42 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-05-26 10:22 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-05-26 12:33 ` Jan Kara
2015-05-26 19:18 ` Daniel Phillips
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