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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
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	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@redhat.com>,
	Larry Woodman <lwoodman@redhat.com>,
	"Wangkai (Kevin,C)" <wangkai86@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/7] fs/dcache: Track & limit # of negative dentries
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:06:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFzfQz7c8pcMfLDaRNReNF2HaKJGoWpgB6caQjNAyjg-hA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1531416080.18255.8.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

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On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 10:21 AM James Bottomley
<James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2018-07-12 at 09:49 -0700, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> >
> > I don't know that it does work.  Or that it works well.
>
> I'm not claiming the general heuristics are perfect (in fact I know we
> still have a lot of problems with dirty reclaim and writeback).

I think this whole "this is about running out of memory" approach is wrong.

We *should* handle that well. Or well enough in practice, at least.

Do we? Maybe not. Should the dcache be the one area to be policed and
worked around? Probably not.

But there may be other reasons to just limit negative dentries.

What does the attached program do to people? It's written to be
intentionally annoying to the dcache.

               Linus

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#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <unistd.h>
#include <fcntl.h>
#include <string.h>

static void die(const char *msg)
{
	fputs(msg, stderr);
	exit(1);
}

/*
 * Use a "longish" filename to make more trouble for the dcache.
 *
 * The inline length is 32-40 bytes depending on kernel config,
 * so make it larger than that.
 */
int main(void)
{
	int i;
	char buffer[64];

	memset(buffer, 'a', sizeof(buffer));
	buffer[63] = 0;

	for (i = 0; i < 100000000; i++) {
		snprintf(buffer+40, sizeof(buffer)-40, "-%08d", i);
		if (open(buffer, O_RDONLY) >= 0)
			die("You're missing the point\n");
	}
	return 0;
}

  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-12 18:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-06 19:32 [PATCH v6 0/7] fs/dcache: Track & limit # of negative dentries Waiman Long
2018-07-06 19:32 ` [PATCH v6 1/7] fs/dcache: Track & report number " Waiman Long
2018-07-06 19:32 ` [PATCH v6 2/7] fs/dcache: Add sysctl parameter neg-dentry-pc as a soft limit on " Waiman Long
2018-07-06 19:32 ` [PATCH v6 3/7] fs/dcache: Enable automatic pruning of " Waiman Long
2018-07-06 19:32 ` [PATCH v6 4/7] fs/dcache: Spread negative dentry pruning across multiple CPUs Waiman Long
2018-07-06 19:32 ` [PATCH v6 5/7] fs/dcache: Add negative dentries to LRU head initially Waiman Long
2018-07-06 19:32 ` [PATCH v6 6/7] fs/dcache: Allow optional enforcement of negative dentry limit Waiman Long
2018-07-06 19:32 ` [PATCH v6 7/7] fs/dcache: Allow deconfiguration of negative dentry code to reduce kernel size Waiman Long
2018-07-06 21:54   ` Eric Biggers
2018-07-06 22:28 ` [PATCH v6 0/7] fs/dcache: Track & limit # of negative dentries Al Viro
2018-07-07  3:02   ` Waiman Long
2018-07-09  8:19 ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-09 16:01   ` Waiman Long
2018-07-10 14:27     ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-10 16:09       ` Waiman Long
2018-07-11 10:21         ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-11 15:13           ` Waiman Long
2018-07-11 17:42             ` James Bottomley
2018-07-11 19:07               ` Waiman Long
2018-07-11 19:21                 ` James Bottomley
2018-07-12 15:54                   ` Waiman Long
2018-07-12 16:04                     ` James Bottomley
2018-07-12 16:26                       ` Waiman Long
2018-07-12 17:33                         ` James Bottomley
2018-07-13 15:32                           ` Waiman Long
2018-07-12 16:49                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-07-12 17:21                         ` James Bottomley
2018-07-12 18:06                           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2018-07-12 19:57                             ` James Bottomley
2018-07-13  0:36                               ` Dave Chinner
2018-07-13 15:46                                 ` James Bottomley
2018-07-13 23:17                                   ` Dave Chinner
2018-07-16  9:10                                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-16 14:42                                     ` James Bottomley
2018-07-16  9:09                                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-16  9:12                                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-16 12:41                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-07-16 23:40                                     ` Andrew Morton
2018-07-17  1:30                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-07-17  8:33                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-19  0:33                                         ` Dave Chinner
2018-07-19  8:45                                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-19  9:13                                             ` Jan Kara
2018-07-18 18:39                                       ` Waiman Long
2018-07-18 16:17                                   ` Waiman Long
2018-07-19  8:48                                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-12  8:48             ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-12 16:12               ` Waiman Long
2018-07-12 23:16                 ` Andrew Morton

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