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From: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>
To: Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com>
Cc: Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux-Audit Mailing List <linux-audit@redhat.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org,
	sgrubb@redhat.com, omosnace@redhat.com, dhowells@redhat.com,
	simo@redhat.com, Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>,
	ebiederm@xmission.com, nhorman@tuxdriver.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH ghak90 V6 02/10] audit: add container id
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 17:09:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHC9VhT0V+xi_6nAR5TsM2vs34LbgMeO=-W+MS_kqiXRRzneZQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190708181237.5poheliito7zpvmc@madcap2.tricolour.ca>

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 2:12 PM Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 2019-05-30 19:26, Paul Moore wrote:

...

> > I like the creativity, but I worry that at some point these
> > limitations are going to be raised (limits have a funny way of doing
> > that over time) and we will be in trouble.  I say "trouble" because I
> > want to be able to quickly do an audit container ID comparison and
> > we're going to pay a penalty for these larger values (we'll need this
> > when we add multiple auditd support and the requisite record routing).
> >
> > Thinking about this makes me also realize we probably need to think a
> > bit longer about audit container ID conflicts between orchestrators.
> > Right now we just take the value that is given to us by the
> > orchestrator, but if we want to allow multiple container orchestrators
> > to work without some form of cooperation in userspace (I think we have
> > to assume the orchestrators will not talk to each other) we likely
> > need to have some way to block reuse of an audit container ID.  We
> > would either need to prevent the orchestrator from explicitly setting
> > an audit container ID to a currently in use value, or instead generate
> > the audit container ID in the kernel upon an event triggered by the
> > orchestrator (e.g. a write to a /proc file).  I suspect we should
> > start looking at the idr code, I think we will need to make use of it.
>
> To address this, I'd suggest that it is enforced to only allow the
> setting of descendants and to maintain a master list of audit container
> identifiers (with a hash table if necessary later) that includes the
> container owner.

We're discussing the audit container ID management policy elsewhere in
this thread so I won't comment on that here, but I did want to say
that we will likely need something better than a simple list of audit
container IDs from the start.  It's common for systems to have
thousands of containers now (or multiple thousands), which tells me
that a list is a poor choice.  You mentioned a hash table, so I would
suggest starting with that over the list for the initial patchset.

-- 
paul moore
www.paul-moore.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-07-15 21:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-09  3:39 [PATCH ghak90 V6 00/10] audit: implement container identifier Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 01/10] audit: collect audit task parameters Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 02/10] audit: add container id Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 14:57   ` Tycho Andersen
2019-05-29 15:29     ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 15:34       ` Tycho Andersen
2019-05-29 16:03         ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 22:28           ` Tycho Andersen
2019-05-29 22:39             ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 17:09               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2019-05-30 19:29                 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 21:29                   ` Tycho Andersen
2019-05-30 23:26                     ` Paul Moore
2019-05-31  0:20                       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-31 12:44                         ` Paul Moore
2019-06-03 20:24                           ` Steve Grubb
2019-06-18 22:12                             ` Paul Moore
2019-06-18 22:46                               ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-08 18:12                       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-08 20:43                         ` Paul Moore
2019-07-15 21:09                         ` Paul Moore [this message]
2019-07-16 15:37                           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-16 16:08                             ` Paul Moore
2019-07-16 16:26                               ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-08 18:05                   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-15 21:04                     ` Paul Moore
2019-07-16 22:03                       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-16 23:30                         ` Paul Moore
2019-07-18  0:51                           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-18 21:52                             ` Paul Moore
2019-07-19 16:00                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-20  2:19                                 ` James Bottomley
2019-07-19 15:32                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-08 17:51       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-15 20:38         ` Paul Moore
2019-07-16 19:38           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-16 21:39             ` Paul Moore
2019-07-19 16:07   ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 03/10] audit: read container ID of a process Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-19 16:03   ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-19 17:05     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 04/10] audit: log container info of syscalls Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 22:15   ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 13:08     ` Ondrej Mosnacek
2019-05-30 14:08       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-30 14:34         ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 05/10] audit: add contid support for signalling the audit daemon Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 12:57   ` Ondrej Mosnacek
2019-04-09 13:40     ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09 13:48       ` Neil Horman
2019-04-09 14:00         ` Ondrej Mosnacek
2019-04-09 14:07         ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09 13:53       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 14:08         ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09 13:46     ` Neil Horman
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 06/10] audit: add support for non-syscall auxiliary records Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 07/10] audit: add containerid support for user records Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 08/10] audit: add containerid filtering Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 22:16   ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 14:19     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-30 14:34       ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 20:37         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-30 20:45           ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 21:10             ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 09/10] audit: add support for containerid to network namespaces Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 22:17   ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 14:15     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-30 14:32       ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 10/10] audit: NETFILTER_PKT: record each container ID associated with a netNS Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-11 11:31 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 00/10] audit: implement container identifier Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-22 11:38 ` Neil Horman
2019-04-22 13:49   ` Paul Moore
2019-04-23 10:28     ` Neil Horman
2019-05-28 21:53     ` Daniel Walsh
2019-05-28 22:25       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-28 22:26       ` Paul Moore
2019-05-28 23:00         ` Steve Grubb
2019-05-29  0:43           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 12:02             ` Daniel Walsh
2019-05-29 13:17               ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 14:07                 ` Daniel Walsh
2019-05-29 14:33                   ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 13:14             ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 22:26     ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 13:08       ` Steve Grubb
2019-05-30 13:35         ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 14:08           ` Richard Guy Briggs

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