From: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>
To: Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com>
Cc: Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
Linux-Audit Mailing List <linux-audit@redhat.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org,
sgrubb@redhat.com, omosnace@redhat.com, dhowells@redhat.com,
simo@redhat.com, Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>,
ebiederm@xmission.com, nhorman@tuxdriver.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH ghak90 V6 02/10] audit: add container id
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 17:09:58 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHC9VhT0V+xi_6nAR5TsM2vs34LbgMeO=-W+MS_kqiXRRzneZQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190708181237.5poheliito7zpvmc@madcap2.tricolour.ca>
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 2:12 PM Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 2019-05-30 19:26, Paul Moore wrote:
...
> > I like the creativity, but I worry that at some point these
> > limitations are going to be raised (limits have a funny way of doing
> > that over time) and we will be in trouble. I say "trouble" because I
> > want to be able to quickly do an audit container ID comparison and
> > we're going to pay a penalty for these larger values (we'll need this
> > when we add multiple auditd support and the requisite record routing).
> >
> > Thinking about this makes me also realize we probably need to think a
> > bit longer about audit container ID conflicts between orchestrators.
> > Right now we just take the value that is given to us by the
> > orchestrator, but if we want to allow multiple container orchestrators
> > to work without some form of cooperation in userspace (I think we have
> > to assume the orchestrators will not talk to each other) we likely
> > need to have some way to block reuse of an audit container ID. We
> > would either need to prevent the orchestrator from explicitly setting
> > an audit container ID to a currently in use value, or instead generate
> > the audit container ID in the kernel upon an event triggered by the
> > orchestrator (e.g. a write to a /proc file). I suspect we should
> > start looking at the idr code, I think we will need to make use of it.
>
> To address this, I'd suggest that it is enforced to only allow the
> setting of descendants and to maintain a master list of audit container
> identifiers (with a hash table if necessary later) that includes the
> container owner.
We're discussing the audit container ID management policy elsewhere in
this thread so I won't comment on that here, but I did want to say
that we will likely need something better than a simple list of audit
container IDs from the start. It's common for systems to have
thousands of containers now (or multiple thousands), which tells me
that a list is a poor choice. You mentioned a hash table, so I would
suggest starting with that over the list for the initial patchset.
--
paul moore
www.paul-moore.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-07-15 21:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-04-09 3:39 [PATCH ghak90 V6 00/10] audit: implement container identifier Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 01/10] audit: collect audit task parameters Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 02/10] audit: add container id Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 14:57 ` Tycho Andersen
2019-05-29 15:29 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 15:34 ` Tycho Andersen
2019-05-29 16:03 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 22:28 ` Tycho Andersen
2019-05-29 22:39 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 17:09 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2019-05-30 19:29 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 21:29 ` Tycho Andersen
2019-05-30 23:26 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-31 0:20 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-31 12:44 ` Paul Moore
2019-06-03 20:24 ` Steve Grubb
2019-06-18 22:12 ` Paul Moore
2019-06-18 22:46 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-08 18:12 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-08 20:43 ` Paul Moore
2019-07-15 21:09 ` Paul Moore [this message]
2019-07-16 15:37 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-16 16:08 ` Paul Moore
2019-07-16 16:26 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-08 18:05 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-15 21:04 ` Paul Moore
2019-07-16 22:03 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-16 23:30 ` Paul Moore
2019-07-18 0:51 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-18 21:52 ` Paul Moore
2019-07-19 16:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-20 2:19 ` James Bottomley
2019-07-19 15:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-08 17:51 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-15 20:38 ` Paul Moore
2019-07-16 19:38 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-16 21:39 ` Paul Moore
2019-07-19 16:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 03/10] audit: read container ID of a process Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-19 16:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-19 17:05 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 04/10] audit: log container info of syscalls Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 22:15 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 13:08 ` Ondrej Mosnacek
2019-05-30 14:08 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-30 14:34 ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 05/10] audit: add contid support for signalling the audit daemon Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 12:57 ` Ondrej Mosnacek
2019-04-09 13:40 ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09 13:48 ` Neil Horman
2019-04-09 14:00 ` Ondrej Mosnacek
2019-04-09 14:07 ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09 13:53 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 14:08 ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09 13:46 ` Neil Horman
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 06/10] audit: add support for non-syscall auxiliary records Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 07/10] audit: add containerid support for user records Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 08/10] audit: add containerid filtering Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 22:16 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 14:19 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-30 14:34 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 20:37 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-30 20:45 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 21:10 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 09/10] audit: add support for containerid to network namespaces Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 22:17 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 14:15 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-30 14:32 ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 10/10] audit: NETFILTER_PKT: record each container ID associated with a netNS Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-11 11:31 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 00/10] audit: implement container identifier Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-22 11:38 ` Neil Horman
2019-04-22 13:49 ` Paul Moore
2019-04-23 10:28 ` Neil Horman
2019-05-28 21:53 ` Daniel Walsh
2019-05-28 22:25 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-28 22:26 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-28 23:00 ` Steve Grubb
2019-05-29 0:43 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 12:02 ` Daniel Walsh
2019-05-29 13:17 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 14:07 ` Daniel Walsh
2019-05-29 14:33 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 13:14 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 22:26 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 13:08 ` Steve Grubb
2019-05-30 13:35 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 14:08 ` Richard Guy Briggs
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