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From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@primarydata.com>
To: Zach Brown <zab@redhat.com>
Cc: Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Sage Weil <sweil@redhat.com>,
	Linux FS-devel Mailing List <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API Mailing List <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] vfs: add a O_NOMTIME flag
Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 18:14:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHQdGtS0=Gjyq2E2QO+zu_HAzdrHJwxtfZ8MB5q0DjWHMEc7hw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1430949612-21356-1-git-send-email-zab@redhat.com>

Hi Zach,

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Zach Brown <zab@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Add the O_NOMTIME flag which prevents mtime from being updated which can
> greatly reduce the IO overhead of writes to allocated and initialized
> regions of files.
>
> ceph servers can have loads where they perform O_DIRECT overwrites of
> allocated file data and then sync to make sure that the O_DIRECT writes
> are flushed from write caches.  If the writes dirty the inode with mtime
> updates then the syncs also write out the metadata needed to track the
> inodes which can add significant iop and latency overhead.
>
> The ceph servers don't use mtime at all.  They're using the local file
> system as a backing store and any backups would be driven by their upper
> level ceph metadata.  For ceph, slow IO from mtime updates in the file
> system is as daft as if we had block devices slowing down IO for
> per-block write timestamps that file systems never use.
>
> In simple tests a O_DIRECT|O_NOMTIME overwriting write followed by a
> sync went from 2 serial write round trips to 1 in XFS and from 4 serial
> IO round trips to 1 in ext4.
>
> file_update_time() checks for O_NOMTIME and aborts the update if it's
> set, just like the current check for the in-kernel inode flag
> S_NOCMTIME.  I didn't update any other mtime update sites. They could be
> added as we decide that it's appropriate to do so.
>
> I opted not to name the flag O_NOCMTIME because I didn't want the name
> to imply that ctime updates would be prevented for other inode changes
> like updating i_size in truncate.  Not updating ctime is a side-effect
> of removing mtime updates when it's the only thing changing in the
> inode.
>
> The criteria for using O_NOMTIME is the same as for using O_NOATIME:
> owning the file or having the CAP_FOWNER capability.  If we're not
> comfortable allowing owners to prevent mtime/ctime updates then we
> should add a tunable to allow O_NOMTIME.  Maybe a mount option?
>

Just out of curiosity, if you need to modify the application anyway,
why wouldn't use of fdatasync() when flushing be able to offer a
similar performance boost?

Cheers
  Trond

  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-06 22:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-06 22:00 [PATCH RFC] vfs: add a O_NOMTIME flag Zach Brown
2015-05-06 22:14 ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2015-05-06 22:19   ` Sage Weil
     [not found]     ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1505061515550.28239-vIokxiIdD2AQNTJnQDzGJqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-06 22:41       ` Zach Brown
     [not found]         ` <20150506224113.GA17282-fypN+1c5dIyjpB87vu3CluTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-06 22:46           ` Sage Weil
2015-05-06 23:21       ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found] ` <1430949612-21356-1-git-send-email-zab-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-07  0:26   ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-07 17:20     ` Zach Brown
2015-05-07 18:43       ` Zach Brown
2015-05-08  1:01       ` Sage Weil
     [not found]         ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1505071752520.28239-vIokxiIdD2AQNTJnQDzGJqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-08  1:23           ` Trond Myklebust
2015-05-08 15:19             ` Sage Weil
     [not found]             ` <CAHQdGtQjMHA8rVPkggB2zMz=k3O667+APH_1EY_2FtYmHL7-hw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-08 22:13               ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-08 22:24                 ` Sage Weil
     [not found]                   ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1505081517470.28239-vIokxiIdD2AQNTJnQDzGJqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-10 23:13                     ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                       ` <CAHQdGtTFTN2XuvmarFZ9HPQV=cuhh7FosdHSrJME_U4htr=i8w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-11  7:31                         ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-11 16:39                           ` Sage Weil
2015-05-11 17:12                             ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                               ` <CAHQdGtT3rCf-ycAYw-=7HGaemg1+HfY8sw3+kb54VHONxDyP3w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-11 17:30                                 ` Sage Weil
2015-05-12  1:21                                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-12 23:12                                     ` Sage Weil
2015-05-13  0:57                                       ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]                                   ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1505111020120.28239-vIokxiIdD2AQNTJnQDzGJqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-12 13:41                                     ` John Stoffel
2015-05-11 14:47                       ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                         ` <20150511144719.GA14088-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-11 16:24                           ` Sage Weil
     [not found]                             ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1505110920520.28239-vIokxiIdD2AQNTJnQDzGJqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-11 23:10                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-05-12  5:08                                 ` Kevin Easton
     [not found]                                   ` <20150512050821.GA9404-Qr0l8DEfScZEV+tojptmR0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-12 11:45                                     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
     [not found]                                       ` <5551E7EB.8040301-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-12 13:54                                         ` John Stoffel
2015-05-12 14:36                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                             ` <20150512143637.GA6370-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-12 14:53                                               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-05-12 21:51                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-13 15:16                                                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-05-12 22:39                                               ` NeilBrown
     [not found]                                                 ` <20150513083951.5eb63bc0-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 13:13                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2015-07-15  4:54                                                     ` NeilBrown
2015-07-22 13:47                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-12 21:35                                     ` Sage Weil
2015-05-13 12:32                               ` Jan Kara
2015-05-08 14:43           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-05-08 17:11           ` Zach Brown
2015-05-08 14:29         ` John Stoffel
2015-07-14 11:50           ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]       ` <20150507172053.GA659-fypN+1c5dIyjpB87vu3CluTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-07 19:09         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-05-07 19:53           ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]             ` <554BC4D8.9010507@nod.at>
2015-05-07 20:06               ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]             ` <CALCETrWNDMq0nK3ac-uZweV5BKK_yWTQHH5D0YkyEu7bcONo9g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-08  2:42               ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-14 11:44             ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-08  2:37         ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-08  3:24           ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]             ` <CALCETrUksu5ZB4QBfC8DMwYO2OFjfPW2eWsTweZGN_gybzcsmw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-08 14:44               ` Eric Sandeen
2015-05-11 20:36                 ` J. Bruce Fields

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