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From: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: fanotify_merge improvements
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 15:59:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOQ4uxh+Mpr-f3LY5PHNDtCoqTrey69-339DabzSkhRR4cbUYA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200226143843.GT10728@quack2.suse.cz>

> > > Hum, now thinking about this, maybe we could clean this up even a bit more.
> > > event->inode is currently used only by inotify and fanotify for merging
> > > purposes. Now inotify could use its 'wd' instead of inode with exactly the
> > > same results, fanotify path or fid check is at least as strong as the inode
> > > check. So only for the case of pure "inode" events, we need to store inode
> > > identifier in struct fanotify_event - and we can do that in the union with
> > > struct path and completely remove the 'inode' member from fsnotify_event.
> > > Am I missing something?
> >
> > That generally sounds good and I did notice it is strange that wd is not
> > being compared.  However, I think I was worried that comparing fid+name
> > (in following patches) would be more expensive than comparing dentry (or
> > object inode) as a "rule out first" in merge, so I preferred to keep the
> > tag/dentry/id comparison for fanotify_fid case.
>
> Yes, that could be a concern.
>
> > Given this analysis (and assuming it is correct), would you like me to
> > just go a head with the change suggested above? or anything beyond that?
>
> Let's go just with the change suggested above for now. We can work on this
> later (probably with optimizing of the fanotify merging code).
>

Hi Jan,

Recap:
- fanotify_merge is very inefficient and uses extensive CPU if queue contains
  many events, so it is rather easy for a poorly written listener to
cripple the system
- You had an idea to store in event->objectid a hash of all the compared
  fields (e.g. fid+name)
- I think you had an idea to keep a hash table of events in the queue
to find the
  merge candidates faster
- For internal uses, I carry a patch that limits the linear search for
last 128 events
  which is enough to relieve the CPU overuse in case of unattended long queues

I tried looking into implementing the hash table idea, assuming I understood you
correctly and I struggled to choose appropriate table sizes. It seemed to make
sense to use a global hash table, such as inode/dentry cache for all the groups
but that would add complexity to locking rules of queue/dequeue and
group cleanup.

A simpler solution I considered, similar to my 128 events limit patch,
is to limit
the linear search to events queued in the last X seconds.
The rationale is that event merging is not supposed to be long term at all.
If a listener fails to perform read from the queue, it is not fsnotify's job to
try and keep the queue compact. I think merging events mechanism was
mainly meant to merge short bursts of events on objects, which are quite
common and surely can happen concurrently on several objects.

My intuition is that making event->objectid into event->hash in addition
to limiting the age of events to merge would address the real life workloads.
One question if we do choose this approach is what should the age limit be?
Should it be configurable? Default to infinity and let distro cap the age or
provide a sane default by kernel while slightly changing behavior (yes please).

What are your thoughts about this?
Do you have a better idea maybe?

Thanks,
Amir.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-22 14:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-17 13:14 [PATCH v2 00/16] Fanotify event with name info Amir Goldstein
2020-02-17 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 01/16] fsnotify: tidy up FS_ and FAN_ constants Amir Goldstein
2020-02-17 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 02/16] fsnotify: factor helpers fsnotify_dentry() and fsnotify_file() Amir Goldstein
2020-02-25 13:46   ` Jan Kara
2020-02-25 14:27     ` Amir Goldstein
2020-02-26 13:59       ` Jan Kara
2020-02-17 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 03/16] fsnotify: funnel all dirent events through fsnotify_name() Amir Goldstein
2020-02-17 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 04/16] fsnotify: use helpers to access data by data_type Amir Goldstein
2020-02-17 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 05/16] fsnotify: simplify arguments passing to fsnotify_parent() Amir Goldstein
2020-02-19 10:50   ` kbuild test robot
2020-02-19 11:11   ` Amir Goldstein
2020-02-17 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 06/16] fsnotify: pass dentry instead of inode for events possible on child Amir Goldstein
2020-02-17 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 07/16] fsnotify: replace inode pointer with tag Amir Goldstein
2020-02-26  8:20   ` Jan Kara
2020-02-26  9:34     ` Amir Goldstein
2020-02-26  8:52   ` Jan Kara
2020-02-17 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 08/16] fanotify: merge duplicate events on parent and child Amir Goldstein
2020-02-26  9:18   ` Jan Kara
2020-02-26 12:14     ` Amir Goldstein
2020-02-26 14:38       ` Jan Kara
2021-01-22 13:59         ` Amir Goldstein [this message]
2021-01-23 13:30           ` fanotify_merge improvements Amir Goldstein
2021-01-25 13:01             ` Jan Kara
2021-01-26 16:21               ` Amir Goldstein
2021-01-27 11:24                 ` Jan Kara
2021-01-27 12:57                   ` Amir Goldstein
2021-01-27 15:15                     ` Jan Kara
2021-01-27 18:03                       ` Amir Goldstein
2021-01-28 10:27                         ` Jan Kara
2021-01-28 18:50                           ` Amir Goldstein
2020-02-17 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 09/16] fanotify: fix merging marks masks with FAN_ONDIR Amir Goldstein
2020-02-17 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 10/16] fanotify: send FAN_DIR_MODIFY event flavor with dir inode and name Amir Goldstein
2020-02-17 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 11/16] fanotify: prepare to encode both parent and child fid's Amir Goldstein
2020-02-26 10:23   ` Jan Kara
2020-02-26 11:53     ` Amir Goldstein
2020-02-26 17:07       ` Jan Kara
2020-02-26 17:50         ` Amir Goldstein
2020-02-27  9:06           ` Amir Goldstein
2020-02-27 11:27             ` Jan Kara
2020-02-27 12:12               ` Amir Goldstein
2020-02-27 13:30                 ` Jan Kara
2020-02-27 14:06                   ` Amir Goldstein
2020-03-01 16:26                     ` Amir Goldstein
2020-03-05 15:49                       ` Jan Kara
2020-03-06 11:19                         ` Amir Goldstein
2020-03-08  7:29                           ` Amir Goldstein
2020-03-18 17:51                             ` Jan Kara
2020-03-18 18:50                               ` Amir Goldstein
2020-03-19  9:30                                 ` Jan Kara
2020-03-19 10:07                                   ` Amir Goldstein
2020-03-30 19:29                                 ` Amir Goldstein
2020-02-27 11:01           ` Jan Kara
2020-02-17 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 12/16] fanotify: record name info for FAN_DIR_MODIFY event Amir Goldstein
2020-02-17 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 13/16] fanotify: report " Amir Goldstein
2020-02-19  9:43   ` kbuild test robot
2020-02-19 10:17   ` kbuild test robot
2020-02-19 11:22   ` Amir Goldstein
2020-04-16 12:16   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-04-20 15:53     ` Jan Kara
2020-04-20 18:45     ` Amir Goldstein
2020-04-20 18:47       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-02-17 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 14/16] fanotify: report parent fid + name with FAN_REPORT_NAME Amir Goldstein
2020-02-17 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 15/16] fanotify: refine rules for when name is reported Amir Goldstein
2020-02-17 13:14 ` [BONUS][PATCH v2 16/16] fanotify: support limited functionality for unprivileged users Amir Goldstein
2020-02-20 22:10 ` [PATCH v2 00/16] Fanotify event with name info Matthew Bobrowski

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