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From: Dave Marchevsky <davemarchevsky@fb.com>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@ubuntu.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Seth Forshee <sforshee@digitalocean.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>, kernel-team <kernel-team@fb.com>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fuse: allow CAP_SYS_ADMIN in root userns to access allow_other mount
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 12:50:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d6f632bc-c321-488d-f50e-749d641786d6@fb.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJfpegtBuULgvqSkOP==HV3_cU2KuvnywLWvmMTGUihRnDcJmQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/15/21 10:28 AM, Miklos Szeredi wrote:   
> On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 at 00:29, Dave Marchevsky <davemarchevsky@fb.com> wrote:
> 
>>> If your tracing daemon runs in init_user_ns with CAP_SYS_ADMIN why can't
>>> it simply use a helper process/thread to
>>> setns(userns_fd/pidfd, CLONE_NEWUSER)
>>> to the target userns? This way we don't need to special-case
>>> init_user_ns at all.
>>
>> helper process + setns could work for my usecase. But the fact that there's no
>> way to say "I know what I am about to do is potentially stupid and dangerous,
>> but I am root so let me do it", without spawning a helper process in this case,
>> feels like it'll result in special-case userspace workarounds for anyone doing
>> symbolication of backtraces.
> 
> Note: any mechanism that grants filesystem access to users that have
> higher privileges than the daemon serving the filesystem will
> potentially open DoS attacks against the higher privilege task.  This
> would be somewhat mitigated if the filesystem is only mounted in a
> private mount namespace, but AFAICS that's not guaranteed.
> 
> The above obviously applies to your original patch but it also applies
> to any other mechanism where the high privilege user doesn't
> explicitly acknowledge and accept the consequences.   IOW granting the
> exception has to be initiated by the high privleged user.
> 
> Thanks,
> Miklos
> 

Sorry to ressurect this old thread. My proposed alternate approach of "special
ioctl to grant exception to descendant userns check" proved unnecessarily
complex: ioctls also go through fuse_allow_current_process check, so a special
carve-out would be necessary for in both ioctl and fuse_permission check in
order to make it possible for non-descendant-userns user to opt in to exception.

How about a version of this patch with CAP_DAC_READ_SEARCH check? This way 
there's more of a clear opt-in vs CAP_SYS_ADMIN.

FWIW we've been running CAP_SYS_ADMIN version of this patch internally and
can confirm it fixes tracing tools' ability to symbolicate binaries in FUSE.

> 
>>
>> e.g. perf will have to add some logic: "did I fail
>> to grab this exe that some process had mapped? Is it in a FUSE mounted by some
>> descendant userns? let's fork a helper process..." Not the end of the world,
>> but unnecessary complexity nonetheless.
>>
>> That being said, I agree that this patch's special-casing of init_user_ns is
>> hacky. What do you think about a more explicit and general "let me do this
>> stupid and dangerous thing" mechanism - perhaps a new struct fuse_conn field
>> containing a set of exception userns', populated with ioctl or similar.
> 
> 
> 
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Note: I was unsure whether CAP_SYS_ADMIN or CAP_SYS_PTRACE was the best
>>>> choice of capability here. Went with the former as it's checked
>>>> elsewhere in fs/fuse while CAP_SYS_PTRACE isn't.
>>>>
>>>>  fs/fuse/dir.c | 2 +-
>>>>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/fs/fuse/dir.c b/fs/fuse/dir.c
>>>> index 0654bfedcbb0..2524eeb0f35d 100644
>>>> --- a/fs/fuse/dir.c
>>>> +++ b/fs/fuse/dir.c
>>>> @@ -1134,7 +1134,7 @@ int fuse_allow_current_process(struct fuse_conn *fc)
>>>>      const struct cred *cred;
>>>>
>>>>      if (fc->allow_other)
>>>> -            return current_in_userns(fc->user_ns);
>>>> +            return current_in_userns(fc->user_ns) || capable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN);
>>>>
>>>>      cred = current_cred();
>>>>      if (uid_eq(cred->euid, fc->user_id) &&
>>>> --
>>>> 2.30.2
>>>>
>>>>
>>

  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-17 16:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-11 22:11 [PATCH] fuse: allow CAP_SYS_ADMIN in root userns to access allow_other mount Dave Marchevsky
2021-11-12  2:10 ` Rik van Riel
2021-11-12 10:13 ` Christian Brauner
2021-11-12 23:29   ` Dave Marchevsky
2021-11-15 15:28     ` Miklos Szeredi
2022-05-17 16:50       ` Dave Marchevsky [this message]
2022-05-18 11:22         ` Christian Brauner
2022-05-18 11:26           ` Miklos Szeredi
2022-05-19  4:56             ` Andrii Nakryiko
2022-05-19  8:59               ` Christian Brauner
2022-05-24  4:35                 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2022-05-24  7:07                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2022-05-24 14:59                     ` Rik van Riel
2022-05-24 15:44                     ` Christian Brauner

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