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From: "Måns Rullgård" <mans@mansr.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Matt Turner <mattst88@gmail.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
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	"the arch\/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: Deprecate a.out support
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:12:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <yw1xsgvt2h7h.fsf@mansr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wj3v41CWH+3ry3+vrkjAEcyGojtevpsZDbiXVvpv1nTkA@mail.gmail.com> (Linus Torvalds's message of "Mon, 11 Mar 2019 14:45:27 -0700")

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> writes:

> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 2:34 PM Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
>>
>> The main historic use case I've heard of was running Netscape
>> Navigator on Alpha Linux, before there was an open source version.
>> Doing this today to connect to the open internet is probably
>> a bit pointless, but there may be other use cases.
>
> The _really_ main version was that I decided to make my life easier
> for the initial alpha port by trying to run basic (tested) OSF/1
> binaries directly.
>
> Netscape may have been one of the binaries people actually ended up
> using, but it's probably not a reason any more, since the internet has
> moved past that anyway.
>
>> Looking at the system call table in the kernel
>> (arch/alpha/kernel/syscalls/syscall.tbl), we seem to support a
>> specific subset that was required for a set of applications, and
>> not much more.
>
> Yeah, it never supported arbitrary binaries, particularly since
> there's often lots of other issues too with running things like that
> (ie filesystem layout etc). It worked for normal fairly well behaved
> stuff, but wasn't ever a full OSF/1 emulation environment.
>
> I _suspect_ nobody actually runs any OSF/1 binaries any more, but it
> would obviously be good to verify that. Your argument that timeval
> handling was broken _may_ be an indication of that (or may just mean
> very few apps care).

Does it count if I fire up an Alpha and run a few OSF/1 binaries right
now? :-)

-- 
Måns Rullgård

  reply	other threads:[~2019-03-11 22:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-01 23:57 a.out coredumping: fix or delete? Jann Horn
2019-03-03  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-03-05  9:19 ` Borislav Petkov
2019-03-05 12:22   ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-03-05 13:43     ` Alan Cox
2019-03-05 14:59       ` [PATCH] x86: Deprecate a.out support Borislav Petkov
2019-03-05 15:17         ` Richard Weinberger
2019-03-05 16:22         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-05 16:30           ` Jann Horn
2019-03-05 17:32             ` Borislav Petkov
2019-03-05 17:31           ` Borislav Petkov
2019-03-05 17:58             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-05 18:11               ` Borislav Petkov
2019-03-05 18:18                 ` Borislav Petkov
2019-03-06 15:07                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-03-10 21:37                   ` Matt Turner
2019-03-10 22:40                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-10 23:19                       ` Al Viro
2019-03-11  7:20                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2019-03-11 11:02                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-03-11 16:26                       ` Måns Rullgård
2019-03-11 16:45                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-11 18:08                           ` Måns Rullgård
2019-03-11 19:03                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-11 19:47                               ` Måns Rullgård
2019-03-11 20:50                                 ` Matt Turner
2019-03-11 21:34                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-03-11 21:45                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-11 22:12                                     ` Måns Rullgård [this message]
2019-03-12  8:44                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-03-14 18:38                                       ` Miguel Ojeda
2019-03-11 22:06                                   ` Måns Rullgård
2019-03-11 22:11                                   ` Matt Turner
2019-03-12  6:38                                     ` Michael Cree
2019-04-16  3:19                               ` Jon Masters
2019-03-11 18:58                         ` Matt Turner
2019-03-06 16:55           ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2019-03-06 17:52             ` [PATCH] fs: binfmt: mark aout as broken Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2019-03-06 12:25     ` a.out coredumping: fix or delete? Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-06 14:11       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-03-06 16:52         ` Alan Cox
2019-03-06 17:45           ` Andy Lutomirski

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