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From: "Michael Kelley (LINUX)" <mikelley@microsoft.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
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Subject: RE: [Patch v3 07/14] x86/hyperv: Change vTOM handling to use standard coco mechanisms
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:15:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BYAPR21MB16886FF5A63334994476B6ADD7129@BYAPR21MB1688.namprd21.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y4USb2niHHicZLCY@zn.tnic>

From: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 11:57 AM
> 
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 05:55:11PM +0000, Michael Kelley (LINUX) wrote:
> > But vendor AMD effectively offers two different encryption schemes that
> > could be seen by the guest VM.  The hypervisor chooses which scheme a
> > particular guest will see.  Hyper-V has chosen to present the vTOM scheme
> > to guest VMs, including normal Linux and Windows guests, that have been
> > modestly updated to understand vTOM.
> 
> If this is a standard SNP guest then you can detect vTOM support using
> SEV_FEATURES. See this thread here:
> 
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20221117044433.244656-1-nikunj@amd.com/
> 
> Which then means, you don't need any special gunk except extending this
> patch above to check SNP has vTOM support.

Yes, we could do that.  But this patch set is still needed to get the preliminaries
in place.  The initial code for supporting AMD vTOM that went upstream a
year ago is too Hyper-V specific.  This patch set removes the Hyper-V specific
stuff, and integrates vTOM support into the overall confidential computing
framework in arch/x86/coco/core.c.  The Hyper-V code was already somewhat
there via CC_VENDOR_HYPERV, but that really should be named something
else now.  So that's why I'm suggesting CC_VENDOR_AMD_VTOM.
 
> 
> > In the future, Hyper-V may also choose to present original AMD C-bit scheme
> > in some guest VMs, depending on the use case.  And it will present the Intel
> > TDX scheme when running on that hardware.
> 
> And all those should JustWork(tm) because we already support such guests.

Agreed.  That's where we want to be.

Of course, when you go from N=1 hypervisors (i.e., KVM) to N=2 (KVM
and Hyper-V, you find some places where incorrect assumptions were made
or some generalizations are needed.  Dexuan Cui's patch set for TDX support
is fixing those places that he has encountered.  But with those fixes, the TDX
support will JustWork(tm) for Linux guests on Hyper-V.

I haven't gone deeply into the situation with AMD C-bit support on Hyper-V.
Tianyu Lan's set of patches for that support is a bit bigger, and I'm
planning to look closely to understand whether it's also just fixing incorrect
assumptions and such, or whether they really are some differences with
Hyper-V.  If there are differences, I want to understand why.

Michael

  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-29  1:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-16 18:41 [Patch v3 00/14] Add PCI pass-thru support to Hyper-V Confidential VMs Michael Kelley
2022-11-16 18:41 ` [Patch v3 01/14] x86/ioremap: Fix page aligned size calculation in __ioremap_caller() Michael Kelley
2022-11-21 13:32   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-21 16:40     ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-11-21 19:45       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-21 21:02         ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-11-21 18:14   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-21 21:04     ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-11-21 21:08       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-16 18:41 ` [Patch v3 02/14] x86/ioapic: Gate decrypted mapping on cc_platform_has() attribute Michael Kelley
2022-11-17 21:39   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21 13:50   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-21 16:43     ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-11-21 19:47       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-16 18:41 ` [Patch v3 03/14] x86/hyperv: Reorder code in prep for subsequent patch Michael Kelley
2022-11-16 18:41 ` [Patch v3 04/14] Drivers: hv: Explicitly request decrypted in vmap_pfn() calls Michael Kelley
2022-11-16 18:41 ` [Patch v3 05/14] x86/mm: Handle decryption/re-encryption of bss_decrypted consistently Michael Kelley
2022-11-16 20:35   ` Tom Lendacky
2022-11-16 21:15     ` Tom Lendacky
2022-11-18  2:59       ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-11-17 21:47   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-18  2:55     ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-11-21 14:39       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-21 22:06         ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-22 17:59           ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-11-28 10:50             ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-28  2:52       ` Dexuan Cui
2022-11-28 14:15         ` Tom Lendacky
2022-11-28 18:06           ` Dexuan Cui
2022-11-21 14:40   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-16 18:41 ` [Patch v3 06/14] init: Call mem_encrypt_init() after Hyper-V hypercall init is done Michael Kelley
2022-11-16 21:14   ` Tom Lendacky
2022-11-21 14:46   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-16 18:41 ` [Patch v3 07/14] x86/hyperv: Change vTOM handling to use standard coco mechanisms Michael Kelley
2022-11-17  2:59   ` Tianyu Lan
2022-11-21 15:03   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-22 18:22     ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-11-22 18:30       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 22:02         ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-11-22 22:18       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-23  0:59         ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-11-28 14:38           ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-11-28 16:33             ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-28 16:59               ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-11-28 17:24                 ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-28 17:55                   ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-11-28 19:56                     ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-29  1:15                       ` Michael Kelley (LINUX) [this message]
2022-11-29  8:40                         ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-29 15:49                           ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-11-29 17:47                             ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-30 16:11                               ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-11-16 18:41 ` [Patch v3 08/14] swiotlb: Remove bounce buffer remapping for Hyper-V Michael Kelley
2022-11-16 18:41 ` [Patch v3 09/14] Drivers: hv: vmbus: Remove second mapping of VMBus monitor pages Michael Kelley
2022-11-16 18:41 ` [Patch v3 10/14] Drivers: hv: vmbus: Remove second way of mapping ring buffers Michael Kelley
2022-11-16 18:41 ` [Patch v3 11/14] hv_netvsc: Remove second mapping of send and recv buffers Michael Kelley
2022-11-16 18:41 ` [Patch v3 12/14] Drivers: hv: Don't remap addresses that are above shared_gpa_boundary Michael Kelley
2022-11-16 18:41 ` [Patch v3 13/14] PCI: hv: Add hypercalls to read/write MMIO space Michael Kelley
2022-11-17 15:16   ` Wei Liu
2022-11-17 16:14     ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-11-17 17:01       ` Wei Liu
2022-11-17 16:32     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-17 17:00       ` Wei Liu
2022-11-17 18:33   ` Haiyang Zhang
2022-11-18  2:38     ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-11-16 18:41 ` [Patch v3 14/14] PCI: hv: Enable PCI pass-thru devices in Confidential VMs Michael Kelley

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