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From: Liam Beguin <liambeguin@gmail.com>
To: Peter Rosin <peda@axentia.se>
Cc: jic23@kernel.org, andy.shevchenko@gmail.com, lars@metafoo.de,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-iio@vger.kernel.org,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, robh+dt@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v13 06/11] iio: afe: rescale: make use of units.h
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 14:28:28 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YfmJ3P1gYaEkVjlY@shaak> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5da96dc7-696b-1bc0-a111-f6108ecfa54c@axentia.se>

Hi Peter,

On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 03:50:22PM +0100, Peter Rosin wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I noticed that I have not reviewed this patch. Sorry for my low
> bandwidth.
> 
> On 2022-01-30 17:10, Liam Beguin wrote:
> > Make use of well-defined SI metric prefixes to improve code readability.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Liam Beguin <liambeguin@gmail.com>
> > ---
> >  drivers/iio/afe/iio-rescale.c | 14 +++++++-------
> >  1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/drivers/iio/afe/iio-rescale.c b/drivers/iio/afe/iio-rescale.c
> > index 67273de46843..27c6664915ff 100644
> > --- a/drivers/iio/afe/iio-rescale.c
> > +++ b/drivers/iio/afe/iio-rescale.c
> > @@ -51,11 +51,11 @@ int rescale_process_scale(struct rescale *rescale, int scale_type,
> >  		}
> >  		fallthrough;
> >  	case IIO_VAL_FRACTIONAL_LOG2:
> > -		tmp = (s64)*val * 1000000000LL;
> > +		tmp = (s64)*val * GIGA;
> >  		tmp = div_s64(tmp, rescale->denominator);
> >  		tmp *= rescale->numerator;
> >  
> > -		tmp = div_s64_rem(tmp, 1000000000LL, &rem);
> > +		tmp = div_s64_rem(tmp, GIGA, &rem);
> 
> It is NOT easy for me to say which of GIGA/NANO is most fitting.
> There are a couple of considerations:

I agree with you that the choice behind GIGA/NANO can be a bit
confusing.

In my opinion, these defines makes the code easier to read if you
consider them as multipliers with no physical meaning, basically a
pretty name for a power of 10.

By this logic, we wouldn't ever use FEMTO to DECI.

Cheers,
Liam

> A) 1000000000 is just a big value (GIGA fits). Something big is
>    needed to not lose too much precision.
> B) 1000000000 is what the IIO core uses to print fractional-log
>    values with nano precision (NANO fits). This is not really
>    relevant in this context.
> C) 1000000000 makes the int-plus-nano and fractional-log cases
>    align (NANO fits). This last consideration is introduced with
>    patch 4/11.
> 
> There is simply no correct define to use. And whichever define is
> chosen makes the other interpretation less obvious. Which is not
> desirable, obscures things and make both GIGA and NANO bad
> options.
> 
> So, I stepped back to the description provided by Andy in the
> comments of v11:
> 
> On 2021-12-22 19:59, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> | You should get the proper power after the operation.
> | Write a formula (mathematically speaking) and check each of them for this.
> | 
> | 10^-5/10^-9 == 1*10^4 (Used NANO)
> | 10^-5/10^9 == 1/10^-14 (Used GIGA)
> | 
> | See the difference?
> 
> No, I don't really see the difference, that just makes me totally
> confused. Dividing by 10^-9 or multiplying by 10^9 is as we all
> know exactly the same, and the kernel cannot deal directly with
> 10^-9 so both will look the same in code (multiplying by 10^9). So,
> you must be referring to the "real formula" behind the code. But
> in that case, if the "real formula" behind the (then equivalent)
> code had instead been
> 
> 	10^-5*10^9 == 1*10^4 (Used GIGA)
> 	10^-5*10^-9 == 1/10^-14 (Used NANO)
> 
> the outcome is the opposite. NANO turns GIGA and vice versa.
> 
> Since you can express the same thing differently in math too, it
> all crumbles for me. Because of this duality, it will be a matter
> of taste if GIGA or NANO fits best in any given instance. Sometimes
> (perhaps commonly) it will be decidedly easy to pick one of them,
> but in other cases (see above) we will end up with a conflict.
> 
> What to do then? Or, what am I missing?
> 
> My taste says NANO in this case, since A) is just some big number
> and not really about units and B) is as stated not really relevant.
> Which makes C) win the argument for me.
> 
> >  		*val = tmp;
> >  
> >  		if (!rem)
> > @@ -71,7 +71,7 @@ int rescale_process_scale(struct rescale *rescale, int scale_type,
> >  
> >  		*val2 = rem / (int)tmp;
> >  		if (rem2)
> > -			*val2 += div_s64((s64)rem2 * 1000000000LL, tmp);
> > +			*val2 += div_s64((s64)rem2 * GIGA, tmp);
> 
> Here, 1000000000 matches the above use. If we go with NANO above,
> we should go with NANO here as well.
> 
> >  		return IIO_VAL_INT_PLUS_NANO;
> >  	case IIO_VAL_INT_PLUS_NANO:
> > @@ -332,8 +332,8 @@ static int rescale_current_sense_amplifier_props(struct device *dev,
> >  	 * gain_div / (gain_mult * sense), while trying to keep the
> >  	 * numerator/denominator from overflowing.
> >  	 */
> > -	factor = gcd(sense, 1000000);
> > -	rescale->numerator = 1000000 / factor;
> > +	factor = gcd(sense, MEGA);
> > +	rescale->numerator = MEGA / factor;
> 
> Here, the 1000000 number comes from the unit of the sense resistor
> (micro-ohms), so I would have preferred MICRO. But who can tell
> if we -mathematically speaking- have divided the given resistance
> integer by 10^6 (MEGA) or multiplied it with 10^-6 (MICRO) to
> account for the unit? Or if we divided the other values with
> 10^6 (MEGA) (or multiplied by 10^-6, MICRO) to make them fit the
> unit of the shunt resistance?
> 
> All of the above is of course equivalent so both MEGA and MICRO
> are correct. But as stated, MICRO makes to most sense as that is
> what connects the code to reality and hints at where the value
> is coming from. For me anyway.
> 
> >  	rescale->denominator = sense / factor;
> >  
> >  	factor = gcd(rescale->numerator, gain_mult);
> > @@ -361,8 +361,8 @@ static int rescale_current_sense_shunt_props(struct device *dev,
> >  		return ret;
> >  	}
> >  
> > -	factor = gcd(shunt, 1000000);
> > -	rescale->numerator = 1000000 / factor;
> > +	factor = gcd(shunt, MEGA);
> > +	rescale->numerator = MEGA / factor;
> 
> Same here, 1000000 comes from the micro-ohms unit of the shunt
> resistor, so I would have preferred MICRO.
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry for the long mail. I blame the duality of these ambiguous
> SI-defines that are a bit confusing to me.
> 
> Cheers,
> Peter
> 
> >  	rescale->denominator = shunt / factor;
> >  
> >  	return 0;

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-02-01 19:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-30 16:10 [PATCH v13 00/11] iio: afe: add temperature rescaling support Liam Beguin
2022-01-30 16:10 ` [PATCH v13 01/11] iio: afe: rescale: expose scale processing function Liam Beguin
2022-01-30 16:10 ` [PATCH v13 02/11] iio: afe: rescale: add INT_PLUS_{MICRO,NANO} support Liam Beguin
2022-02-02 17:04   ` Peter Rosin
2022-02-02 21:13     ` Liam Beguin
2022-01-30 16:10 ` [PATCH v13 03/11] iio: afe: rescale: add offset support Liam Beguin
2022-01-30 16:10 ` [PATCH v13 04/11] iio: afe: rescale: fix accuracy for small fractional scales Liam Beguin
2022-01-30 16:10 ` [PATCH v13 05/11] iio: afe: rescale: reduce risk of integer overflow Liam Beguin
2022-01-30 16:10 ` [PATCH v13 06/11] iio: afe: rescale: make use of units.h Liam Beguin
2022-01-31 14:50   ` Peter Rosin
2022-01-31 15:23     ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-01  1:59       ` Peter Rosin
2022-02-01  9:20         ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-01 19:28     ` Liam Beguin [this message]
2022-02-05 17:54       ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-02-05 18:23         ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-07 14:05         ` Liam Beguin
2022-02-07 20:22           ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-01-30 16:10 ` [PATCH v13 07/11] iio: test: add basic tests for the iio-rescale driver Liam Beguin
2022-01-30 16:10 ` [PATCH v13 08/11] iio: afe: rescale: add RTD temperature sensor support Liam Beguin
2022-02-02 16:58   ` Peter Rosin
2022-02-02 20:56     ` Liam Beguin
2022-01-30 16:10 ` [PATCH v13 09/11] iio: afe: rescale: add temperature transducers Liam Beguin
2022-01-30 16:11 ` [PATCH v13 10/11] dt-bindings: iio: afe: add bindings for temperature-sense-rtd Liam Beguin
2022-01-30 16:11 ` [PATCH v13 11/11] dt-bindings: iio: afe: add bindings for temperature transducers Liam Beguin
2022-01-31 11:06 ` [PATCH v13 00/11] iio: afe: add temperature rescaling support Andy Shevchenko

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