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From: hpa@zytor.com
To: Dominik Brodowski <linux@dominikbrodowski.net>,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@huawei.com>,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, initramfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	silviu.vlasceanu@huawei.com, dmitry.kasatkin@huawei.com,
	takondra@cisco.com, kamensky@cisco.com, arnd@arndb.de,
	rob@landley.net, james.w.mcmechan@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/3] initramfs: add support for xattrs in the initial ram disk
Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 17:23:16 -0700
Message-ID: <0D08BE40-475A-47AB-A3CE-B8EC4C4357D9@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190512153105.GA25254@light.dominikbrodowski.net>

On May 12, 2019 8:31:05 AM PDT, Dominik Brodowski <linux@dominikbrodowski.net> wrote:
>On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 03:18:16AM -0700, hpa@zytor.com wrote:
>> > Couldn't this parsing of the .xattr-list file and the setting of
>the xattrs
>> > be done equivalently by the initramfs' /init? Why is kernel
>involvement
>> > actually required here?
>> 
>> There are a lot of things that could/should be done that way...
>
>Indeed... so why not try to avoid adding more such "things", and
>keeping
>them in userspace (or in a fork_usermode_blob)?
>
>
>On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 08:52:47AM -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
>> It's too late.  The /init itself should be signed and verified.
>
>Could you elaborate a bit more about the threat model, and why
>deferring
>this to the initramfs is too late?
>
>Thanks,
>	Dominik

I tried over 10 years ago to make exactly that happen... it was called the klibc project. Linus turned it down because he felt that it didn't provide enough immediate benefit to justify the complexity, which of course creates the thousand-cuts problem: there will never be *one single* event that *by itself* justifies the transition.
-- 
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  parent reply index

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-09 11:24 Roberto Sassu
2019-05-09 11:24 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] fs: add ksys_lsetxattr() wrapper Roberto Sassu
2019-05-10 21:28   ` Jann Horn
2019-05-09 11:24 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] initramfs: set extended attributes Roberto Sassu
2019-05-09 11:24 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] initramfs: introduce do_readxattrs() Roberto Sassu
2019-05-10 21:33   ` Jann Horn
2019-05-13 13:03     ` Roberto Sassu
2019-05-09 18:34 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] initramfs: add support for xattrs in the initial ram disk Rob Landley
2019-05-10  6:56   ` Roberto Sassu
2019-05-10 11:49     ` Mimi Zohar
2019-05-10 20:46       ` Rob Landley
2019-05-10 22:38         ` Mimi Zohar
2019-05-11 22:44 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-12  4:04   ` Rob Landley
2019-05-12  4:12     ` Rob Landley
2019-05-12  9:17 ` Dominik Brodowski
2019-05-12 10:18   ` hpa
2019-05-12 15:31     ` Dominik Brodowski
2019-05-13  0:02       ` Mimi Zohar
2019-05-13  0:21         ` hpa
2019-05-13  0:23       ` hpa [this message]
2019-05-12 12:52   ` Mimi Zohar
2019-05-12 17:05     ` Rob Landley
2019-05-12 19:43       ` Arvind Sankar
2019-05-13  7:49         ` Roberto Sassu
2019-05-13  9:07           ` Rob Landley
2019-05-13 12:08             ` Mimi Zohar
2019-05-13 12:47             ` Roberto Sassu
2019-05-13 17:20               ` Arvind Sankar
2019-05-13 17:51                 ` Arvind Sankar
2019-05-13 17:52                 ` Arvind Sankar
2019-05-13 18:36                   ` Mimi Zohar
2019-05-13 18:47                     ` Arvind Sankar
2019-05-13 22:09                       ` Mimi Zohar
2019-05-14  6:06                         ` Rob Landley
2019-05-14 14:44                           ` Arvind Sankar
2019-05-14  6:06               ` Rob Landley
2019-05-14 11:52                 ` Roberto Sassu
2019-05-14 15:12                   ` Rob Landley
2019-05-14 15:27                   ` Arvind Sankar
2019-05-14 15:57                     ` Arvind Sankar
2019-05-14 17:44                       ` Roberto Sassu
2019-05-15  1:00                         ` Arvind Sankar
2019-05-14 15:19               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-14 16:33                 ` Roberto Sassu
2019-05-14 16:58                   ` Greg KH
2019-05-14 17:20                     ` Roberto Sassu
2019-05-15  0:25                       ` Arvind Sankar
2019-05-14 19:18                 ` James Bottomley
2019-05-14 23:39                   ` Rob Landley
2019-05-14 23:54                     ` James Bottomley
2019-05-15  0:52                       ` Arvind Sankar
2019-05-15 11:19                         ` Roberto Sassu
2019-05-15 16:08                           ` Arvind Sankar
2019-05-15 17:06                             ` Roberto Sassu
2019-05-16  5:29                               ` Arvind Sankar
2019-05-16 11:42                                 ` Roberto Sassu
2019-05-16 13:31                                 ` Mimi Zohar

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