From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>,
Victor Hsieh <victorhsieh@google.com>,
Chandan Rajendra <chandan@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/12] fs-verity: add a documentation file
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 07:53:54 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181221155354.GC10600@bombadil.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181221154714.GA26547@mit.edu>
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 10:47:14AM -0500, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
> Linus --- we're going round and round, and I don't think this is
> really a technical dispute at this point, but rather an aesthetics
> one. Will you be willing to accept my pull request for a feature
> which is being shippped on millions of Android phones, has been out
> for review for months, and for which, if we *really* need to add
> uselessly complicated interface later, we can do that? It's always
> been the case for internal Kernel interfaces not to add code "just in
> case" it's useful, but rather when a user turns up. I argue we should
> be doing the same thing for user-space visible interfaces.
To look at it another way, this is an aesthetic dispute in which all those
who have offered opinions from outside Google -- myself, Dave Chinner &
Christoph all really dislike this interface. I'd be happy to discuss
alternative interfaces, particularly ones which allow for the current
internal implementation, but I think this interface is really bad.
In contrast to "we'll just fix it up later" (which usually applies
to in-kernel interfaces), we have a policy of not breaking userspace,
so accepting this interface means setting it in stone. We should get
it right.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-12-21 15:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-11-01 22:52 [PATCH v2 00/12] fs-verity: read-only file-based authenticity protection Eric Biggers
2018-11-01 22:52 ` [PATCH v2 01/12] fs-verity: add a documentation file Eric Biggers
2018-12-12 9:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-12 20:26 ` Eric Biggers
2018-12-13 20:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-14 4:48 ` Eric Biggers
2018-12-17 16:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-17 18:32 ` Eric Biggers
2018-12-19 7:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-17 20:00 ` Darrick J. Wong
2018-12-19 0:16 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-12-19 2:19 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-19 19:30 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-12-19 21:35 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-20 22:01 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-12-21 7:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-21 10:06 ` Richard Weinberger
2018-12-21 15:47 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-12-21 15:53 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2018-12-21 16:28 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-12-21 16:34 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-21 19:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-22 4:17 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-12-22 22:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-23 4:34 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-12-23 4:10 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-23 4:45 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-01-04 20:41 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-12-19 7:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-19 7:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <CAHk-=wiB8vGbje+NgNkMZupHsZ_cqg6YEBV+ZXSF4wnywFLRHQ@mail.gmail.com>
2018-12-19 7:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-14 5:17 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-12-14 5:39 ` Eric Biggers
2018-12-17 16:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-17 19:15 ` Eric Biggers
2018-12-21 16:11 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-11-01 22:52 ` [PATCH v2 02/12] fs-verity: add setup code, UAPI, and Kconfig Eric Biggers
2018-11-01 22:52 ` [PATCH v2 03/12] fs-verity: add MAINTAINERS file entry Eric Biggers
2018-11-01 22:52 ` [PATCH v2 04/12] fs-verity: add data verification hooks for ->readpages() Eric Biggers
2018-11-01 22:52 ` [PATCH v2 05/12] fs-verity: implement FS_IOC_ENABLE_VERITY ioctl Eric Biggers
2018-11-01 22:52 ` [PATCH v2 06/12] fs-verity: implement FS_IOC_MEASURE_VERITY ioctl Eric Biggers
2018-11-01 22:52 ` [PATCH v2 07/12] fs-verity: add SHA-512 support Eric Biggers
2018-11-01 22:52 ` [PATCH v2 08/12] fs-verity: add CRC-32C support Eric Biggers
2018-11-01 22:52 ` [PATCH v2 09/12] fs-verity: support builtin file signatures Eric Biggers
2018-11-01 22:52 ` [PATCH v2 10/12] ext4: add basic fs-verity support Eric Biggers
2018-11-02 9:43 ` Chandan Rajendra
2018-11-06 1:25 ` Eric Biggers
2018-11-06 6:52 ` Chandan Rajendra
2018-11-05 21:05 ` Andreas Dilger
2018-11-06 1:11 ` Eric Biggers
2018-11-01 22:52 ` [PATCH v2 11/12] ext4: add fs-verity read support Eric Biggers
2018-11-01 22:52 ` [PATCH v2 12/12] f2fs: fs-verity support Eric Biggers
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