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From: Janne Karhunen <janne.karhunen@gmail.com>
To: Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@linaro.org>
Cc: Rouven Czerwinski <r.czerwinski@pengutronix.de>,
	"tee-dev @ lists . linaro . org" <tee-dev@lists.linaro.org>,
	Daniel Thompson <daniel.thompson@linaro.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	jejb@linux.ibm.com, Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Linux Doc Mailing List <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
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	dhowells@redhat.com, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	keyrings@vger.kernel.org, Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>,
	Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
Subject: Re: [Tee-dev] [RFC v2 0/6] Introduce TEE based Trusted Keys support
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 11:30:05 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAE=NcrbujsM8wYJXq+s=o5Vy1xY1b0uKYBGvp6UP5ex70HrB2Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFA6WYPt4q+jaJbaoauXKr2qKgBHvtQ663s4t=W3nuPJPe2xpw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:58 AM Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@linaro.org> wrote:

> > Anyway, just my .02c. I guess having any new support in the kernel for
> > new trust sources is good and improvement from the current state. I
> > can certainly make my stuff work with your setup as well, what ever
> > people think is the best.
>
> Yes your implementation can very well fit under trusted keys
> abstraction framework without creating a new keytype: "ext-trusted".

The fundamental problem with the 'standardized kernel tee' still
exists - it will never be generic in real life. Getting all this in
the kernel will solve your problem and sell this particular product,
but it is quite unlikely to help that many users. If the security is
truly important to you, would you really trust any of this code to
someone else? In this day and age, I really doubt many do. Everyone
does their own thing, so this is why I really see all that as a
userspace problem.


--
Janne

  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-01  8:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-30 12:23 [RFC v2 0/6] Introduce TEE based Trusted Keys support Sumit Garg
2019-07-30 12:23 ` [RFC v2 1/6] tee: optee: allow kernel pages to register as shm Sumit Garg
2019-07-30 12:23 ` [RFC v2 2/6] tee: enable support to register kernel memory Sumit Garg
2019-08-08 22:26   ` [Tee-dev] " Stuart Yoder
2019-08-09  5:36     ` Sumit Garg
2019-07-30 12:23 ` [RFC v2 3/6] tee: add private login method for kernel clients Sumit Garg
2019-07-30 12:23 ` [RFC v2 4/6] KEYS: trusted: Introduce TEE based Trusted Keys Sumit Garg
2019-07-30 12:23 ` [RFC v2 5/6] doc: keys: Document usage of " Sumit Garg
2019-07-30 12:23 ` [RFC v2 6/6] MAINTAINERS: Add entry for " Sumit Garg
2019-07-31  7:11 ` [RFC v2 0/6] Introduce TEE based Trusted Keys support Janne Karhunen
2019-07-31 10:21   ` Janne Karhunen
2019-07-31 13:58     ` Sumit Garg
2019-08-01  6:21       ` Janne Karhunen
2019-08-01  7:40         ` Sumit Garg
2019-08-01  7:59           ` Janne Karhunen
2019-08-01 10:00             ` Sumit Garg
2019-08-01 10:40               ` Janne Karhunen
2019-07-31 10:26   ` Sumit Garg
2019-07-31 11:02     ` Janne Karhunen
2019-07-31 14:23       ` Sumit Garg
2019-08-01  6:36         ` Janne Karhunen
2019-08-01  6:50           ` [Tee-dev] " Rouven Czerwinski
2019-08-01  7:30             ` Janne Karhunen
2019-08-01  7:58               ` Sumit Garg
2019-08-01  8:30                 ` Janne Karhunen [this message]
2019-08-01 10:27                   ` Sumit Garg
2019-08-04 20:48 ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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