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From: Ken Goldman <kgold@linux.ibm.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/7] add integrity and security to TPM2 transactions
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 09:53:37 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a8a69222-94fb-7406-d9b2-207079727eb8@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1540193596.3202.7.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On 10/22/2018 3:33 AM, James Bottomley wrote:
> By now, everybody knows we have a problem with the TPM2_RS_PW easy
> button on TPM2 in that transactions on the TPM bus can be intercepted
> and altered.  The way to fix this is to use real sessions for HMAC
> capabilities to ensure integrity and to use parameter and response
> encryption to ensure confidentiality of the data flowing over the TPM
> bus.

Does this design assume that there was at time zero no monitoring?
This would permit some shared secret to be established.

Or does it assume that the interception may have been present from
the first boot?  If so, how is the first shared secret established.
Salting using the EK is the usual method, but this requires walking the 
EK certificate chain and embedding the TPM vendor CA certificates in the 
kernel.


> This patch series is about adding a simple API which can ensure the
> above properties as a layered addition to the existing TPM handling
> code.  This series now includes protections for PCR extend, getting
> random numbers from the TPM and data sealing and unsealing.  It
> therefore eliminates all uses of TPM2_RS_PW in the kernel and adds
> encryption protection to sensitive data flowing into and out of the
> TPM.
> 
> In the third version I added data sealing and unsealing protection,
> apart from one API based problem which means that the way trusted keys
> were protected it's not currently possible to HMAC protect an authority
> that comes with a policy, so the API will have to be extended to fix
> that case

TPM 2.0 observations (questioning 'not possible'):

1 - Any policy that requires a password (policypassword) can substitute
an HMAC (policyauthvalue) at the callers discretion.  They result
in the same policy digest.

2 - Any command can be HMAC protected, even one like pcrread that does 
not require authorization.  Start an HMAC session and specify audit.
Of course, a shared secret has to be used, either a bind or salted
session.

3 - If the command is already using a policy session, but does not 
require a password, I believe that the same technique #2 can be
used - specify audit with that policy session.

I've tested #3 with bind but not salt.  I can test if there's
interest.

> In this fourth version, I tidy up some of the code and add more
> security features, the most notable is that we now calculate the NULL
> seed name and compare our calculation to the value returned in
> TPM2_ReadPublic, which means we now can't be spoofed.  This version
> also gives a sysfs variable for the null seed which userspace can use
> to run a key certification operation to prove that the TPM was always
> secure when communicating with the kernel.
> 
> I've verified this using the test suite in the last patch on a VM
> connected to a tpm2 emulator.  I also instrumented the emulator to make
> sure the sensitive data was properly encrypted.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-10-22 13:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-22  7:33 [PATCH v4 0/7] add integrity and security to TPM2 transactions James Bottomley
2018-10-22  7:35 ` [PATCH v4 1/7] tpm-buf: create new functions for handling TPM buffers James Bottomley
2018-10-23 19:12   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-10-23 19:16   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-10-22  7:36 ` [PATCH v4 2/7] tpm2-sessions: Add full HMAC and encrypt/decrypt session handling James Bottomley
2018-10-22 22:19   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-10-23  7:01     ` James Bottomley
2018-10-23 10:08       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-10-24  8:40         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-10-23 23:48   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-10-24  9:31     ` James Bottomley
2018-10-25 15:56       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-10-22  7:37 ` [PATCH v4 3/7] tpm2: add hmac checks to tpm2_pcr_extend() James Bottomley
2018-10-22  7:37 ` [PATCH v4 4/7] tpm2: add session encryption protection to tpm2_get_random() James Bottomley
2018-10-22  7:38 ` [PATCH v4 5/7] trusted keys: Add session encryption protection to the seal/unseal path James Bottomley
2018-10-24  0:03   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-10-22  7:39 ` [PATCH v4 6/7] tpm: add the null key name as a tpm2 sysfs variable James Bottomley
2018-10-22  7:40 ` [PATCH v4 7/7] tpm2-sessions: NOT FOR COMMITTING add sessions testing James Bottomley
2018-10-22 13:53 ` Ken Goldman [this message]
2018-10-22 14:18   ` [PATCH v4 0/7] add integrity and security to TPM2 transactions James Bottomley
2018-10-22 15:50     ` Ken Goldman
2018-10-22 15:55       ` James Bottomley
2018-10-24  0:13     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-10-24  7:41       ` James Bottomley
2018-10-25 15:39         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-10-24  0:06   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-10-24  7:34     ` James Bottomley
2018-10-25 16:53       ` Ken Goldman
2018-10-23 23:51 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-10-24  7:43   ` James Bottomley
2018-10-25 15:42     ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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