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From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: andmike@us.ibm.com, sukadev@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com, b.zolnierkie@samsung.com,
	benh@kernel.crashing.org, jasowang@redhat.com, aik@linux.ibm.com,
	Ram Pai <linuxram@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, paulus@ozlabs.org,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, paul.burton@mips.com,
	mpe@ellerman.id.au, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	robin.murphy@arm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] virtio_ring: Use DMA API if memory is encrypted
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 19:36:50 +1100
Message-ID: <20191021083650.GG6439@umbus.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191015073501.GA32345@lst.de>

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On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 09:35:01AM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 06:25:19PM -0700, Ram Pai wrote:
> > From: Thiago Jung Bauermann <bauerman@linux.ibm.com>
> > 
> > Normally, virtio enables DMA API with VIRTIO_F_IOMMU_PLATFORM, which must
> > be set by both device and guest driver. However, as a hack, when DMA API
> > returns physical addresses, guest driver can use the DMA API; even though
> > device does not set VIRTIO_F_IOMMU_PLATFORM and just uses physical
> > addresses.
> 
> Sorry, but this is a complete bullshit hack.  Driver must always use
> the DMA API if they do DMA, and if virtio devices use physical addresses
> that needs to be returned through the platform firmware interfaces for
> the dma setup.  If you don't do that yet (which based on previous
> informations you don't), you need to fix it, and we can then quirk
> old implementations that already are out in the field.
> 
> In other words: we finally need to fix that virtio mess and not pile
> hacks on top of hacks.

Christoph, if I understand correctly, your objection isn't so much to
the proposed change here of itself, except insofar as it entrenches
virtio's existing code allowing it to either use the DMA api or bypass
it and use physical addresses directly.  Is that right, or have I
missed something?

Where do you envisage the decision to bypass the IOMMU being made?
The virtio spec more or less states that virtio devices use hypervisor
magic to access physical addresses directly, rather than using normal
DMA channels.  The F_IOMMU_PLATFORM flag then overrides that, since it
obviously won't work for hardware devices.

The platform code isn't really in a position to know that virtio
devices are (usually) magic.  So were you envisaging the virtio driver
explicitly telling the platform to use bypassing DMA operations?

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Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-12  1:25 [PATCH 0/2] virtio: Support encrypted memory on powerpc secure guests Ram Pai
2019-10-12  1:25 ` [PATCH 1/2] dma-mapping: Add dma_addr_is_phys_addr() Ram Pai
2019-10-12  1:25   ` [PATCH 2/2] virtio_ring: Use DMA API if memory is encrypted Ram Pai
2019-10-14  4:52     ` David Gibson
2019-10-15  7:35     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-10-16  7:55       ` Ram Pai
2019-10-17  2:33       ` Jason Wang
2019-10-21  8:36       ` David Gibson [this message]
2019-10-14  4:51   ` [PATCH 1/2] dma-mapping: Add dma_addr_is_phys_addr() David Gibson
2019-10-14 10:29     ` Robin Murphy
2019-10-15  7:30       ` Ram Pai
2019-10-15  7:31       ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-10-12  1:36 ` [PATCH 0/2] virtio: Support encrypted memory on powerpc secure guests Ram Pai

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