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From: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>
To: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	"joro@8bytes.org" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	"will@kernel.org" <will@kernel.org>,
	"robin.murphy@arm.com" <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	"alex.williamson@redhat.com" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"shuah@kernel.org" <shuah@kernel.org>,
	"Liu, Yi L" <yi.l.liu@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"iommu@lists.linux.dev" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org"
	<linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org>,
	"baolu.lu@linux.intel.com" <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v2 08/10] iommufd/device: Use iommu_group_replace_domain()
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 02:15:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BN9PR11MB5276FA23E61977389D0C1A198CA39@BN9PR11MB5276.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y+w8TJ2jfDATftbr@Asurada-Nvidia>

> From: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 9:59 AM
> 
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 01:37:19AM +0000, Tian, Kevin wrote:
> 
> > > From: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 6:54 PM
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:49:34AM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 11:48:30PM -0800, Nicolin Chen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > What about point 1? If dev2 and dev3 are already replaced when
> > > > > doing iommu_group_replace_domain() on dev1, their idev objects
> > > > > still have the old hwpt/iopt until user space does another two
> > > > > IOCTLs on them, right?
> > > >
> > > > We have a complicated model for multi-device groups...
> > > >
> > > > The first device in the group to change domains must move all the
> > > > devices in the group
> > > >
> > > > But userspace is still expected to run through and change all the
> > > > other devices
> > > >
> > > > So replace should be a NOP if the group is already linked to the right
> > > > domain.
> > > >
> > > > This patch needs to make sure that incosistency in the view betwen the
> > > > iommu_group and the iommufd model doesn't cause a functional
> > > > problem.
> > >
> > > Yea, I was thinking that we'd need to block any access to the
> > > idev->hwpt of a pending device's, before the kernel finishes
> > > the "NOP" IOCTL from userspace, maybe with a helper:
> > >       (iommu_get_domain_for_dev(idev->dev) != idev->hwpt->domain)
> > >
> >
> > I didn't see what would be broken w/o such blocking measure.
> >
> > Can you elaborate?
> 
> iommu_group { idev1, idev2 }
> 
> (1) Attach all devices to domain1 {
> 	group->domain = domain1;
> 	idev1->hwpt = hwpt1; // domain1
> 	idev2->hwpt = hwpt1; // domain1
> }
> 
> (2) Attach (replace) idev1 only to domain2 {
> 	group->domain = domain2
> 	idev1->hwpt = hwpt2; // domain2
> 	idev2->hwpt == domain1 // != iommu_get_domain_for_dev()
> }
> 
> Then if user space isn't aware of these and continues to do
> IOMMU_IOAS_MAP for idev2. Though IOVA mappings may be added
> onto the domain2 correctly, yet domain2's iopt itree won't
> reflect that, until idev2->hwpt is updated too, right?

IOMMU_IOAS_MAP is for ioas instead of for device.

even w/o any device attached we still allow ioas map.

also note in case of domain1 still actively attached to idev3 in
another group, banning IOAS_MAP due to idev2 in transition
is also incorrect for idev3.

> 
> And the tricky thing is that, though we advocate a device-
> centric uAPI, we'd still have to ask user space to align the
> devices in the same iommu_group, which is also not present
> in QEMU's RFC v3 series.

IMHO this requirement has been stated clearly from the start
when designing this device centric interface. QEMU should be
improved to take care of it.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-15  2:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-07 21:17 [PATCH v2 00/10] Add IO page table replacement support Nicolin Chen
2023-02-07 21:17 ` [PATCH v2 01/10] iommu: Move dev_iommu_ops() to private header Nicolin Chen
2023-02-09  2:49   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-07 21:17 ` [PATCH v2 02/10] iommu: Introduce a new iommu_group_replace_domain() API Nicolin Chen
2023-02-09  2:55   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-09 13:23     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-10  1:34       ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-10 23:51   ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-11  0:44     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-13  2:24       ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-13  8:34         ` Baolu Lu
2023-02-13 14:45         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-14  3:29           ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-15  6:10   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-15 12:52     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-22  2:11       ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-24  0:57         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-24  8:07           ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-07 21:17 ` [PATCH v2 03/10] iommufd: Create access in vfio_iommufd_emulated_bind() Nicolin Chen
2023-02-09  2:56   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-09 16:15     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-02-09 18:58   ` Eric Farman
2023-02-09 19:54     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-02-07 21:17 ` [PATCH v2 04/10] iommufd/selftest: Add IOMMU_TEST_OP_ACCESS_SET_IOAS coverage Nicolin Chen
2023-02-09  2:59   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-07 21:17 ` [PATCH v2 05/10] iommufd: Add replace support in iommufd_access_set_ioas() Nicolin Chen
2023-02-09  3:13   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-09 20:28     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-02-09 20:49       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-09 22:18         ` Nicolin Chen
2023-02-07 21:17 ` [PATCH v2 06/10] iommufd/selftest: Add coverage for access->ioas replacement Nicolin Chen
2023-02-07 21:17 ` [PATCH v2 07/10] iommufd/device: Make hwpt_list list_add/del symmetric Nicolin Chen
2023-02-09  3:23   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-09 13:24     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-10  1:46       ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-10 21:17         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-13  2:12           ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-07 21:18 ` [PATCH v2 08/10] iommufd/device: Use iommu_group_replace_domain() Nicolin Chen
2023-02-08  8:08   ` Liu, Yi L
2023-02-09 20:55     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-02-08  8:12   ` Liu, Yi L
2023-02-09 20:56     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-02-09  4:00   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-09 21:13     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-02-10  0:01       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-10 20:50         ` Nicolin Chen
2023-02-10  2:11       ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-11  0:10         ` Nicolin Chen
2023-02-13  2:34           ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-13  7:48             ` Nicolin Chen
2023-02-13  8:27               ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-13 14:49               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-14 10:54                 ` Nicolin Chen
2023-02-15  1:37                   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-15  1:58                     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-02-15  2:15                       ` Tian, Kevin [this message]
2023-02-15  7:15                         ` Nicolin Chen
2023-02-15  7:24                           ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-15 12:51                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-14 10:59         ` Nicolin Chen
2023-02-15  1:38           ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-15  7:16             ` Nicolin Chen
2023-02-07 21:18 ` [PATCH v2 09/10] vfio: Support IO page table replacement Nicolin Chen
2023-02-09  4:06   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-07 21:18 ` [PATCH v2 10/10] vfio: Do not allow !ops->dma_unmap in vfio_pin/unpin_pages() Nicolin Chen
2023-02-09  4:10   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-09 13:26     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-09 16:19       ` Nicolin Chen
2023-02-09  2:50 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] Add IO page table replacement support Tian, Kevin
2023-02-09 16:13   ` Nicolin Chen
2023-02-10  1:34     ` Tian, Kevin

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