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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>
To: Sven Peter <sven@svenpeter.dev>
Cc: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>, DTML <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Hector Martin <marcan@marcan.st>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:IOMMU DRIVERS" <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Mohamed Mediouni <mohamed.mediouni@caramail.com>,
	Stan Skowronek <stan@corellium.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Mark Kettenis <mark.kettenis@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Apple M1 DART IOMMU driver
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:59:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK8P3a1+BOmT39k=OqFU+LtgfW=SDCp5W69YW58sVGf66mSppw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45faaadd-eda7-464f-96ff-7324f566669e@www.fastmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:51 PM Sven Peter <sven@svenpeter.dev> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021, at 18:34, Robin Murphy wrote:
> > On 2021-03-26 17:26, Mark Kettenis wrote:
> > >
> > > Anyway, from my viewpoint having the information about the IOVA
> > > address space sit on the devices makes little sense.  This information
> > > is needed by the DART driver, and there is no direct cnnection from
> > > the DART to the individual devices in the devicetree.  The "iommus"
> > > property makes a connection in the opposite direction.
> >
> > What still seems unclear is whether these addressing limitations are a
> > property of the DART input interface, the device output interface, or
> > the interconnect between them. Although the observable end result
> > appears more or less the same either way, they are conceptually
> > different things which we have different abstractions to deal with.
>
> I'm not really sure if there is any way for us to figure out where these
> limitation comes from though.

My first guess was that this is done to partition the available address
address space in a way that allows one physical IOTLB to handle
multiple devices that each have their own page table for a subset
of the address space, as was done on old PowerPC IOMMUs.
However, the ranges you list don't really support that model.

> I've done some more experiments and looked at all DART nodes in Apple's Device
> Tree though. It seems that most (if not all) masters only connect 32 address
> lines even though the iommu can handle a much larger address space. I'll therefore
> remove the code to handle the full space for v2 since it's essentially dead
> code that can't be tested anyway.
>
>
> There are some exceptions though:
>
> There are the PCIe DARTs which have a different limitation which could be
> encoded as 'dma-ranges' in the pci bus node:
>
>            name         base      size
>          dart-apcie1: 00100000  3fe00000
>          dart-apcie2: 00100000  3fe00000
>          dart-apcie0: 00100000  3fe00000
>         dart-apciec0: 00004000  7fffc000
>         dart-apciec1: 80000000  7fffc000

This looks like they are reserving some address space in the beginning
and/or the end, and for apciec0, the address space is partitioned into
two equal-sized regions.

> Then there are also these display controller DARTs. If we wanted to use dma-ranges
> we could just put them in a single sub bus:
>
>               name     base      size
>           dart-disp0: 00000000 fc000000
>             dart-dcp: 00000000 fc000000
>        dart-dispext0: 00000000 fc000000
>          dart-dcpext: 00000000 fc000000
>
>
> And finally we have these strange ones which might eventually each require
> another awkward sub-bus if we want to stick to the dma-ranges property.
>
>     name     base      size
>   dart-aop: 00030000 ffffffff ("always-on processor")
>   dart-pmp: 00000000 bff00000 (no idea yet)

Here I also see a "pio-vm-size" property:

    dart-pmp {
      pio-vm-base = <0xc0000000>;
      pio-vm-size = <0x40000000>;
      vm-size = <0xbff00000>;
      ...
   };

Which seems to give 3GB of address space to the normal iotlb,
plus the last 1GB to something else. The vm-base property is also
missing rather than zero, but that could just be part of their syntax
instead of a real difference.

Could it be that there are

>   dart-sio: 0021c000 fbde4000 (at least their Secure Enclave/TPM co-processor)

Same here:
    dart-sio {
       vm-base = <0x0>;
       vm-size = <0xfc000000>;
       pio-vm-base = <0xfd000000>;
      pio-vm-size = <0x2000000>;
      pio-granularity = <0x1000000>;
   }

There are clearly two distinct ranges that split up the 4GB space again,
with a small hole of 16MB (==pio-granularity) at the end of each range.

The "pio" name might indicate that this is a range of addresses that
can be programmed to point at I/O registers in another device, rather
than pointing to RAM.

           Arnd
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Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-20 15:19 Sven Peter via iommu
2021-03-20 15:19 ` [PATCH 1/3] iommu: io-pgtable: add DART pagetable format Sven Peter via iommu
2021-03-24 16:37   ` Robin Murphy
2021-03-25 20:47     ` Sven Peter via iommu
2021-03-20 15:20 ` [PATCH 2/3] dt-bindings: iommu: add DART iommu bindings Sven Peter via iommu
2021-03-22  0:15   ` Rob Herring
2021-03-22 18:16     ` Sven Peter via iommu
2021-03-21 16:00 ` [PATCH 0/3] Apple M1 DART IOMMU driver Mark Kettenis
2021-03-21 17:22   ` Sven Peter via iommu
2021-03-21 18:35     ` Mark Kettenis
2021-03-22 22:17       ` Sven Peter via iommu
2021-03-23 20:00         ` Mark Kettenis
2021-03-23 21:03           ` Sven Peter via iommu
2021-03-21 17:28   ` Sven Peter via iommu
2021-03-23 20:53   ` Rob Herring
2021-03-23 22:33     ` Mark Kettenis
2021-03-25  7:53     ` Sven Peter via iommu
2021-03-25 11:50       ` Robin Murphy
2021-03-25 20:49         ` Sven Peter via iommu
2021-03-27 15:33         ` Sven Peter via iommu
2021-03-25 21:41       ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-26 15:59         ` Mark Kettenis
2021-03-26 16:09           ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-26 16:10           ` Sven Peter via iommu
2021-03-26 16:38             ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-26 17:06               ` Sven Peter via iommu
2021-03-26 17:26               ` Mark Kettenis
2021-03-26 17:34                 ` Robin Murphy
2021-03-26 17:51                   ` Sven Peter via iommu
2021-03-26 19:59                     ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2021-03-26 21:16                       ` Mark Kettenis
2021-03-27 15:30                       ` Sven Peter via iommu
2021-03-26 20:03                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-26 21:13                   ` Mark Kettenis
2021-03-24 15:29 ` Robin Murphy
2021-03-25  7:58   ` Sven Peter via iommu

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