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From: Robin Murphy <>
To: John Garry <>,,,,,
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/6] SMMUv3 PMCG IMP DEF event support
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:51:22 +0100
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On 2019-10-16 9:47 am, John Garry wrote:
> On 15/10/2019 19:00, Robin Murphy wrote:
>> Hi John,
>> On 30/09/2019 15:33, John Garry wrote:
>>> This patchset adds IMP DEF event support for the SMMUv3 PMCG.
>>> It is marked as an RFC as the method to identify the PMCG implementation
>>> may be a quite disliked. And, in general, the series is somewhat
>>> incomplete.
>>> So the background is that the PMCG supports IMP DEF events, yet we
>>> have no
>>> method to identify the PMCG to know the IMP DEF events.
>>> A method for identifying the PMCG implementation could be using
>>> PMDEVARCH, but we cannot rely on this being set properly, as whether 
>>> this
>>> is implemented is not defined in SMMUv3 spec.
>>> Another method would be perf event aliasing, but this method of event
>>> matching is based on CPU id, which would not guarantee same
>>> uniqueness as PMCG implementation.
>>> Yet another method could be to continue using ACPI OEM ID in the IORT
>>> code, but this does not scale. And it is not suitable if we ever add DT
>>> support to the PMCG driver.
>>> The method used in this series is based on matching on the parent SMMUv3
>>> IIDR. We store this IIDR contents in the arm smmu structure as the first
>>> element, which means that we don't have to expose SMMU APIs - this is
>>> the part which may be disliked.
>>> The final two patches switch the pre-existing PMCG model identification
>>> from ACPI OEM ID to the same parent SMMUv3 IIDR matching.
>>> For now, we only consider SMMUv3' nodes being the associated node for
>>> PMCG.
> Hi Robin,
>> Two significant concerns right off the bat:
>> - It seems more common than not for silicon designers to fail to
>> implement IIDR correctly, so it's only a matter of time before
>> inevitably needing to bring back some firmware-level identifier
>> abstraction (if not already - does Hi161x have PMCGs?)
> Maybe there's a way that we can switch to this method, and leave the 
> door open for an easy way to support firmware-level identifier again, if 
> ever needed. I'm not too pushed - this was secondary to just allowing 
> the PMCG driver know the associated SMMU model.

But that's the part I'm not buying - there's no clear advantage to 
pushing that complexity down into the PMCG driver, vs. leaving the IORT 
code responsible for translating an SMMU model into a PMCG model, yet 
the aforementioned disadvantages jump out right away.

> And, no, hi161x does not have any PMCGs.

Hooray, I guess :)

>> - This seems like a step in entirely the wrong direction for supporting
>> .
> So to support PMCGs that reference a Named Component or Root Complex, I 
> thought that the IORT parsing code would have to do some secondary 
> lookup to the associated SMMU, through the Named Component or Root 
> Complex node.
> What was your idea here?

The associated SMMU has no relevance in that context - the reason for 
the Node Reference to point to a non-SMMU node is for devices that 
implement their own embedded TLB (e.g. AMBA DTI masters) and expose a 
standard PMCG interface to monitor it. It isn't reasonable to expect any 
old PCIe controller or on-chip-accelerator driver to expose a fake SMMU 
IIDR just to keep some other driver happy.

> Note: I do acknowledge that an overall issue is that we assume all PMCG 
> IMP DEF events are same for a given SMMU model.

That assumption does technically fail already - I know MMU-600 has 
different IMP-DEF events for its TCU and TBUs, however as long as we can 
get as far as "this is some part of an MMU-600" the driver should be 
able to figure out the rest (annoyingly it looks like both PMCG types 
expose the same PMCG_ID_REGS information, but they should be 
distinguishable by PMCG_CEIDn).

>> Interpreting the Node Reference is definitely a welcome improvement over
>> matching table headers, but absent a truly compelling argument to the
>> contrary, I'd rather retain the "PMCG model" abstraction in between that
>> and the driver itself (especially since those can trivially be hung off
>> compatibles once it comes to DT support).
> For DT, I would assume that we just use compatible strings would allow 
> us to identify the PMCG model.

Right, that was largely my point - DT probing can start with a PMCG 
model, so it's a lot more logical for ACPI probing to do the same, with 
the actual PMCG model determination hidden away in the ACPI code. That's 
the basis of the current design.

I have been nagging the architects that PMCGs not having their own IIDR 
is an unwelcome hole in the spec, so hopefully this might get a bit 
easier some day.

> On a related matter, is there still a need to deal with scenarios of the 
> PMCG being located within the SMMU register map? As you may remember, we 
> did have this issue but relocated the PMCG to outside the SMMU register 
> map in a later chip rev.

MMU-600 has its TCU PMCG page 0 in the middle of its SMMU page 0 space, 
but given that it's an Arm IP, I expect that when the heat gets turned 
up for making it work, it's most likely to be under me ;)

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Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-30 14:33 John Garry
2019-09-30 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] ACPI/IORT: Set PMCG device parent John Garry
2019-10-15  2:35   ` Hanjun Guo
2019-10-15  9:07     ` John Garry
2019-09-30 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Record IIDR in arm_smmu_device structure John Garry
2019-09-30 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] perf/smmuv3: Retrieve parent SMMUv3 IIDR John Garry
2019-09-30 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] perf/smmuv3: Support HiSilicon hip08 (hi1620) IMP DEF events John Garry
2019-09-30 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] perf/smmuv3: Match implementation options based on parent SMMU IIDR John Garry
2019-09-30 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] ACPI/IORT: Drop code to set the PMCG software-defined model John Garry
2019-10-15  3:06   ` Hanjun Guo
2019-10-15  8:47     ` John Garry
2019-10-15 18:00 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] SMMUv3 PMCG IMP DEF event support Robin Murphy
2019-10-16  8:47   ` John Garry
2019-10-16 10:51     ` Robin Murphy [this message]
2019-10-16 12:07       ` John Garry

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