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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>
To: Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>
Cc: Tomasz Stanislawski <t.stanislaws@samsung.com>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, m.szyprowski@samsung.com,
	kyungmin.park@samsung.com, laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] DV timings spec fixes at V4L2 API - was: [PATCH 1/8] v4l: add macro for 1080p59_54 preset
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 08:04:58 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E14415A.9010001@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201107051520.17361.hverkuil@xs4all.nl>

Em 05-07-2011 10:20, Hans Verkuil escreveu:
 
>> I failed to see what information is provided by the "presets" name. If this were removed
>> from the ioctl, and fps would be added instead, the API would be clearer. The only
>> adjustment would be to use "index" as the preset selection key. Anyway, it is too late
>> for such change. We need to live with that.
> 
> Adding the fps solves nothing. Because that still does not give you specific timings.
> You can have 1920x1080P60 that has quite different timings from the CEA-861 standard
> and that may not be supported by a TV.
> 
> If you are working with HDMI, then you may want to filter all supported presets to
> those of the CEA standard.
> 
> That's one thing that is missing at the moment: that presets belonging to a certain
> standard get their own range. Since we only do CEA861 right now it hasn't been an
> issue, but it will.

I prepared a long email about that, but then I realized that we're investing our time into
something broken, at the light of all DV timing standards. So, I've dropped it and
started from scratch.

>From what I've got, there are some hardware that can only do a limited set of DV timings.
If this were not the case, we could simply just use the VIDIOC_S_DV_TIMINGS/VIDIOC_G_DV_TIMINGS,
and put the CEA 861 and VESA timings into some userspace library.

In other words, the PRESET API is meant to solve the case where hardware only support
a limited set of frequencies, that may or may not be inside the CEA standard.

Let's assume we never added the current API, and discuss how it would properly fulfill
the user needs. An API that would likely work is:

struct v4l2_dv_enum_preset2 {
	__u32	  index;
	__u8	  name[32]; /* Name of the preset timing */

	struct v4l2_fract fps;

#define DV_PRESET_IS_PROGRESSIVE	1<<31
#define DV_PRESET_SPEC(flag)		(flag && 0xff)
#define DV_PRESET_IS_CEA861		1
#define DV_PRESET_IS_DMT		2
#define DV_PRESET_IS_CVF		3
#define DV_PRESET_IS_GTF		4
#define DV_PRESET_IS_VENDOR_SPECIFIC	5

	__u32	flags;		/* Interlaced/progressive, DV specs, etc */

	__u32	width;		/* width in pixels */
	__u32	height;		/* height in lines */
	__u32	polarities;	/* Positive or negative polarity */
	__u64	pixelclock;	/* Pixel clock in HZ. Ex. 74.25MHz->74250000 */
	__u32	hfrontporch;	/* Horizpontal front porch in pixels */
	__u32	hsync;		/* Horizontal Sync length in pixels */
	__u32	hbackporch;	/* Horizontal back porch in pixels */
	__u32	vfrontporch;	/* Vertical front porch in pixels */
	__u32	vsync;		/* Vertical Sync length in lines */
	__u32	vbackporch;	/* Vertical back porch in lines */
	__u32	il_vfrontporch;	/* Vertical front porch for bottom field of
				 * interlaced field formats
				 */
	__u32	il_vsync;	/* Vertical sync length for bottom field of
				 * interlaced field formats
				 */
	__u32	il_vbackporch;	/* Vertical back porch for bottom field of
				 * interlaced field formats
				 */
	__u32	  reserved[4];
};

#define	VIDIOC_ENUM_DV_PRESETS2	_IOWR('V', 83, struct v4l2_dv_enum_preset2)
#define	VIDIOC_S_DV_PRESET2	_IOWR('V', 84, u32 index)
#define	VIDIOC_G_DV_PRESET2	_IOWR('V', 85, u32 index)

Such preset API seems to work for all cases. Userspace can use any DV timing
information to select the desired format, and don't need to have a switch for
a preset macro to try to guess what the format actually means. Also, there's no
need to touch at the API spec every time a new DV timeline is needed.

Also, it should be noticed that, since the size of the data on the above definitions
are different than the old ones, _IO macros will provide a different magic number,
so, adding these won't break the existing API.

So, I think we should work on this proposal, and mark the existing one as deprecated.

Thanks,
Mauro



  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-07-06 11:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-29 12:51 [PATCH v6 0/8] TV drivers for Samsung S5P platform (media part) Tomasz Stanislawski
2011-06-29 12:51 ` [PATCH 1/8] v4l: add macro for 1080p59_54 preset Tomasz Stanislawski
2011-07-04 16:09   ` [RFC] DV timings spec fixes at V4L2 API - was: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-07-04 22:47     ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-07-04 23:28       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-07-05  6:46       ` Hans Verkuil
2011-07-05  7:26     ` Hans Verkuil
2011-07-05 12:08       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-07-05 13:20         ` Hans Verkuil
2011-07-05 19:02           ` Andy Walls
2011-07-05 23:25             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-07-06  1:05               ` Andy Walls
2011-07-06 11:04           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
2011-07-06 11:31             ` Hans Verkuil
2011-07-06 11:48               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-07-06 12:03                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-07-06 12:09                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-07-06 12:13                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-07-06 12:20                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-07-06 12:14                 ` Hans Verkuil
2011-07-06 12:31                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-07-06 12:56                     ` Hans Verkuil
2011-07-06 14:10                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-07-06 19:39                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-07-07 11:33                     ` Hans Verkuil
2011-07-07 13:52                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-07-07 14:58                         ` Hans Verkuil
2011-07-07 16:18                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-07-07 17:52                         ` Tomasz Stanislawski
2011-06-29 12:51 ` [PATCH 2/8] v4l: add g_tvnorms_output callback to V4L2 subdev Tomasz Stanislawski
2011-06-29 12:51 ` [PATCH 3/8] v4l: add g_dv_preset " Tomasz Stanislawski
2011-06-29 12:51 ` [PATCH 4/8] v4l: add g_std_output " Tomasz Stanislawski
2011-06-29 12:51 ` [PATCH 5/8] v4l: fix v4l_fill_dv_preset_info function Tomasz Stanislawski
2011-07-14 16:02   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-06-29 12:51 ` [PATCH 6/8] v4l: s5p-tv: add drivers for HDMI on Samsung S5P platform Tomasz Stanislawski
2011-06-29 12:51 ` [PATCH 7/8] v4l: s5p-tv: add SDO driver for " Tomasz Stanislawski
2011-06-29 12:51 ` [PATCH 8/8] v4l: s5p-tv: add TV Mixer " Tomasz Stanislawski

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