From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
Cc: kwalker@redhat.com, cl@linux.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
mhocko@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
rientjes@google.com, hannes@cmpxchg.org, vdavydov@parallels.com,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
skozina@redhat.com
Subject: Re: can't oom-kill zap the victim's memory?
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 16:55:57 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150920145557.GA10200@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201509202350.DDG21892.FFStOLHOQOFMVJ@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
On 09/20, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
>
> Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > On 09/17, Kyle Walker wrote:
> > >
> > > Currently, the oom killer will attempt to kill a process that is in
> > > TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE state. For tasks in this state for an exceptional
> > > period of time, such as processes writing to a frozen filesystem during
> > > a lengthy backup operation, this can result in a deadlock condition as
> > > related processes memory access will stall within the page fault
> > > handler.
> >
> > And there are other potential reasons for deadlock.
> >
> > Stupid idea. Can't we help the memory hog to free its memory? This is
> > orthogonal to other improvements we can do.
>
> So, we are trying to release memory without waiting for arriving at
> exit_mm() from do_exit(), right? If it works, it will be a simple and
> small change that will be easy to backport.
>
> The idea is that since fatal_signal_pending() tasks no longer return to
> user space, we can release memory allocated for use by user space, right?
Yes.
> Then, I think that this approach can be applied to not only OOM-kill case
> but also regular kill(pid, SIGKILL) case (i.e. kick from signal_wake_up(1)
> or somewhere?).
I don't think so... but we might want to do this if (say) we are not going
to kill someone else because fatal_signal_pending(current).
> A dedicated kernel thread (not limited to OOM-kill purpose)
> scans for fatal_signal_pending() tasks and release that task's memory.
Perhaps a dedicated kernel thread makes sense (see other emails),
but I don't think it should scan the killed threads. oom-kill should
kict it.
Anyway, let me repeat there are a lot of details we might want to
discuss. But the initial changes should be simple as possible, imo.
Oleg.
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Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-09-17 17:59 [PATCH] mm/oom_kill.c: don't kill TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE tasks Kyle Walker
2015-09-17 19:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-18 15:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-09-18 16:24 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-18 16:39 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-18 16:54 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-18 17:00 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-09-18 19:07 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-18 19:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-09-18 21:28 ` Kyle Walker
2015-09-18 22:07 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-09-19 8:32 ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-19 14:33 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-19 15:51 ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-21 23:33 ` David Rientjes
2015-09-22 5:33 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-22 23:32 ` David Rientjes
2015-09-23 12:03 ` Kyle Walker
2015-09-24 11:50 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-19 14:44 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-21 23:27 ` David Rientjes
2015-09-19 8:25 ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-19 8:22 ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-21 23:08 ` David Rientjes
2015-09-19 15:03 ` can't oom-kill zap the victim's memory? Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-19 15:10 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-19 15:58 ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-20 13:16 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-19 22:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-19 22:54 ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-19 23:00 ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-19 23:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-20 9:33 ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-20 13:06 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-20 12:56 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-20 18:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-20 18:21 ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-20 18:23 ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-20 19:07 ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-21 13:57 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-21 13:44 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-21 14:24 ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-21 15:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-21 16:12 ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-22 16:06 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-22 23:04 ` David Rientjes
2015-09-23 20:59 ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-24 21:15 ` David Rientjes
2015-09-25 9:35 ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-25 16:14 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-28 16:18 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-28 22:28 ` David Rientjes
2015-10-02 12:36 ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-02 19:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-05 14:44 ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-07 5:16 ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-10-07 10:43 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-08 9:40 ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-10-06 7:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-06 8:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-06 8:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-06 14:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-03 6:02 ` Can't we use timeout based OOM warning/killing? Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-06 14:51 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-12 6:43 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-12 15:25 ` Silent hang up caused by pages being not scanned? Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-12 21:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-13 12:21 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-13 16:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-14 12:21 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-15 13:14 ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-16 15:57 ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-16 18:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-16 18:49 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-19 12:57 ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-19 12:53 ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-13 13:32 ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-13 16:19 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-14 13:22 ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-14 14:38 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-14 14:59 ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-14 15:06 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-26 11:44 ` Newbie's question: memory allocation when reclaiming memory Tetsuo Handa
2015-11-05 8:46 ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-10-06 15:25 ` Can't we use timeout based OOM warning/killing? Linus Torvalds
2015-10-08 15:33 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-10 12:50 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-28 22:24 ` can't oom-kill zap the victim's memory? David Rientjes
2015-09-29 7:57 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-29 22:56 ` David Rientjes
2015-09-30 4:25 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-30 10:21 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-30 21:11 ` David Rientjes
2015-10-01 12:13 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-01 14:48 ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-02 13:06 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-06 18:45 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-10-07 11:03 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-07 12:00 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-10-08 14:04 ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-08 14:01 ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-21 16:51 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-22 12:43 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-22 14:30 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-22 14:45 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-21 23:42 ` David Rientjes
2015-09-21 16:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-20 14:50 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-20 14:55 ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
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