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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@fb.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 07/10] mm, compaction: restrict async compaction to pageblocks of same migratetype
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 15:10:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170214201000.GH2450@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170210172343.30283-8-vbabka@suse.cz>

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 06:23:40PM +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> The migrate scanner in async compaction is currently limited to MIGRATE_MOVABLE
> pageblocks. This is a heuristic intended to reduce latency, based on the
> assumption that non-MOVABLE pageblocks are unlikely to contain movable pages.
> 
> However, with the exception of THP's, most high-order allocations are not
> movable. Should the async compaction succeed, this increases the chance that
> the non-MOVABLE allocations will fallback to a MOVABLE pageblock, making the
> long-term fragmentation worse.
> 
> This patch attempts to help the situation by changing async direct compaction
> so that the migrate scanner only scans the pageblocks of the requested
> migratetype. If it's a non-MOVABLE type and there are such pageblocks that do
> contain movable pages, chances are that the allocation can succeed within one
> of such pageblocks, removing the need for a fallback. If that fails, the
> subsequent sync attempt will ignore this restriction.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>

Yes, IMO we should make the async compaction scanner decontaminate
unmovable blocks. This is because we fall back to other-typed blocks
before we reclaim, so any unmovable blocks that aren't perfectly
occupied will fill with greedy page cache (and order-0 doesn't steal
blocks back to make them compactable again). Subsequent unmovable
higher-order allocations in turn are more likely to fall back and
steal more movable blocks.

As long as we have vastly more movable blocks than unmovable blocks,
continuous page cache turnover will counteract this negative trend -
pages are reclaimed mostly from movable blocks and some unmovable
blocks, while new cache allocations are placed into the freed movable
blocks - slowly moving cache out from unmovable blocks into movable
ones. But that effect is independent of the rate of higher-order
allocations and can be overwhelmed, so I think it makes sense to
involve compaction directly in decontamination.

The thing I'm not entirely certain about is the aggressiveness of this
patch. Instead of restricting the async scanner to blocks of the same
migratetype, wouldn't it be better (in terms of allocation latency) to
simply let it compact *all* block types? Maybe changing it to look at
unmovable blocks is enough to curb cross-contamination. Sure there
will still be some, but now we're matching the decontamination rate to
the rate of !movable higher-order allocations and don't just rely on
the independent cache turnover rate, which during higher-order bursts
might not be high enough to prevent an expansion of unmovable blocks.

Does that make sense?

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-02-14 20:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-10 17:23 [PATCH v2 00/10] try to reduce fragmenting fallbacks Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-10 17:23 ` [PATCH v2 01/10] mm, compaction: reorder fields in struct compact_control Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-13 10:49   ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-14 16:33   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-02-10 17:23 ` [PATCH v2 02/10] mm, compaction: remove redundant watermark check in compact_finished() Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-13 10:49   ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-14 16:34   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-02-10 17:23 ` [PATCH v2 03/10] mm, page_alloc: split smallest stolen page in fallback Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-13 10:51   ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-13 10:54     ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-14 16:59   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-02-10 17:23 ` [PATCH v2 04/10] mm, page_alloc: count movable pages when stealing from pageblock Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-13 10:53   ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-14 10:07   ` Xishi Qiu
2017-02-15 10:47     ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-15 11:56       ` Xishi Qiu
2017-02-17 16:21         ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-14 18:10   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-02-17 16:09     ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-10 17:23 ` [PATCH v2 05/10] mm, compaction: change migrate_async_suitable() to suitable_migration_source() Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-13 10:53   ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-14 18:12   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-02-10 17:23 ` [PATCH v2 06/10] mm, compaction: add migratetype to compact_control Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-13 10:53   ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-14 18:15   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-02-10 17:23 ` [PATCH v2 07/10] mm, compaction: restrict async compaction to pageblocks of same migratetype Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-13 10:56   ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-14 20:10   ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2017-02-17 16:32     ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-17 17:39       ` Johannes Weiner
2017-02-10 17:23 ` [PATCH v2 08/10] mm, compaction: finish whole pageblock to reduce fragmentation Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-13 10:57   ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-16 11:44   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-02-10 17:23 ` [RFC v2 09/10] mm, page_alloc: disallow migratetype fallback in fastpath Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-10 17:23 ` [RFC v2 10/10] mm, page_alloc: introduce MIGRATE_MIXED migratetype Vlastimil Babka
2017-03-08  2:16   ` Yisheng Xie
2017-03-08  7:07     ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-03-13  2:16       ` Yisheng Xie
2017-02-13 11:07 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] try to reduce fragmenting fallbacks Mel Gorman
2017-02-15 14:29   ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-15 16:11     ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-15 20:11       ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-16 15:12     ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-17 15:24       ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-20 12:30   ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-23 16:01     ` Mel Gorman

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