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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@yandex-team.ru>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Rafael Aquini <aquini@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/vmstat: Reduce zone lock hold time when reading /proc/pagetypeinfo
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 09:31:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191023083143.GC3016@techsingularity.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191022165745.GT9379@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 06:57:45PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> [Cc Mel]
> 
> On Tue 22-10-19 12:21:56, Waiman Long wrote:
> > The pagetypeinfo_showfree_print() function prints out the number of
> > free blocks for each of the page orders and migrate types. The current
> > code just iterates the each of the free lists to get counts.  There are
> > bug reports about hard lockup panics when reading the /proc/pagetyeinfo
> > file just because it look too long to iterate all the free lists within
> > a zone while holing the zone lock with irq disabled.
> > 
> > Given the fact that /proc/pagetypeinfo is readable by all, the possiblity
> > of crashing a system by the simple act of reading /proc/pagetypeinfo
> > by any user is a security problem that needs to be addressed.
> 
> Should we make the file 0400? It is a useful thing when debugging but
> not something regular users would really need for life.
> 

I think this would be useful in general. The information is not that
useful outside of debugging. Even then it's only useful when trying to
get a handle on why a path like compaction is taking too long.

> > There is a free_area structure associated with each page order. There
> > is also a nr_free count within the free_area for all the different
> > migration types combined. Tracking the number of free list entries
> > for each migration type will probably add some overhead to the fast
> > paths like moving pages from one migration type to another which may
> > not be desirable.
> 
> Have you tried to measure that overhead?
>  

I would prefer this option not be taken. It would increase the cost of
watermark calculations which is a relatively fast path.

> > we can actually skip iterating the list of one of the migration types
> > and used nr_free to compute the missing count. Since MIGRATE_MOVABLE
> > is usually the largest one on large memory systems, this is the one
> > to be skipped. Since the printing order is migration-type => order, we
> > will have to store the counts in an internal 2D array before printing
> > them out.
> > 
> > Even by skipping the MIGRATE_MOVABLE pages, we may still be holding the
> > zone lock for too long blocking out other zone lock waiters from being
> > run. This can be problematic for systems with large amount of memory.
> > So a check is added to temporarily release the lock and reschedule if
> > more than 64k of list entries have been iterated for each order. With
> > a MAX_ORDER of 11, the worst case will be iterating about 700k of list
> > entries before releasing the lock.
> 
> But you are still iterating through the whole free_list at once so if it
> gets really large then this is still possible. I think it would be
> preferable to use per migratetype nr_free if it doesn't cause any
> regressions.
> 

I think it will. The patch as it is contains the overhead within the
reader of the pagetypeinfo proc file which is a non-critical path. The
page allocator paths on the other hand is very important.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-10-23  8:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-22 16:21 [PATCH] mm/vmstat: Reduce zone lock hold time when reading /proc/pagetypeinfo Waiman Long
2019-10-22 16:57 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-22 18:00   ` Waiman Long
2019-10-22 18:40     ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23  0:52       ` David Rientjes
2019-10-23  8:31   ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2019-10-23  9:04     ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23  9:56       ` Mel Gorman
2019-10-23 10:27         ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] " Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 10:27           ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] mm, vmstat: hide /proc/pagetypeinfo from normal users Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 13:13             ` Mel Gorman
2019-10-23 13:27             ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-23 14:52             ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 15:10             ` Rafael Aquini
2019-10-23 16:15             ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-24 19:01             ` David Rientjes
2019-10-23 10:27           ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] mm, vmstat: reduce zone->lock holding time by /proc/pagetypeinfo Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 13:15             ` Mel Gorman
2019-10-23 13:32             ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-23 13:37               ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 13:48                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-23 14:31                   ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 16:20                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-23 13:46               ` Rafael Aquini
2019-10-23 14:56             ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 15:21               ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 16:10               ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 16:17                 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 16:21                   ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 16:15             ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-23 16:41             ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 16:47               ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 17:34             ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, vmstat: Release zone lock more frequently when reading /proc/pagetypeinfo Waiman Long
2019-10-23 18:01               ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 18:14                 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 20:02                   ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 17:34             ` [PATCH 2/2] mm, vmstat: List total free blocks for each order in /proc/pagetypeinfo Waiman Long
2019-10-23 18:02               ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 18:07                 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-24  8:20           ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm/vmstat: Reduce zone lock hold time when reading /proc/pagetypeinfo Michal Hocko
2019-10-24 16:16             ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 12:42         ` [PATCH] " Qian Cai
2019-10-23 13:25         ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-22 21:59 ` Andrew Morton
2019-10-23  6:15   ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 14:30   ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 14:48     ` Qian Cai
2019-10-23 15:01       ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 15:05         ` Qian Cai
2019-10-23 22:30         ` Andrew Morton
2019-10-24  5:33           ` Qian Cai
2019-10-24  7:42             ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-24 11:11               ` Qian Cai
2019-10-24 13:38                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-24 14:55                   ` Qian Cai
2019-10-24  3:33         ` Feng Tang
2019-10-24  4:34           ` Qian Cai
2019-10-24  5:34             ` Feng Tang
2019-10-24 10:51               ` Qian Cai
2019-10-25  1:38                 ` Feng Tang
2019-10-23 15:03       ` Rafael Aquini
2019-10-23 15:51         ` Qian Cai

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