From: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
To: Szabolcs Nagy <szabolcs.nagy@arm.com>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
Richard Earnshaw <Richard.Earnshaw@arm.com>,
nd@arm.com, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@google.com>,
Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>,
Peter Collingbourne <pcc@google.com>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 23/23] arm64: mte: Add Memory Tagging Extension documentation
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 17:52:23 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200518165223.GB5031@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200515125332.GF27289@arm.com>
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 01:53:32PM +0100, Szabolcs Nagy wrote:
> The 05/15/2020 13:13, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 01:04:33PM +0100, Szabolcs Nagy wrote:
> > > The 05/15/2020 12:27, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > > > Thanks Szabolcs. While we are at this, no-one so far asked for the
> > > > GCR_EL1.RRND to be exposed to user (and this implies RGSR_EL1.SEED).
> > > > Since RRND=1 guarantees a distribution "no worse" than that of RRND=0, I
> > > > thought there isn't much point in exposing this configuration to the
> > > > user. The only advantage of RRND=0 I see is that the kernel can change
> > >
> > > it seems RRND=1 is the impl specific algorithm.
> >
> > Yes, that's the implementation specific algorithm which shouldn't be
> > worse than the standard one.
> >
> > > > the seed randomly but, with only 4 bits per tag, it really doesn't
> > > > matter much.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, mentioning it here in case anyone is surprised later about the
> > > > lack of RRND configurability.
> > >
> > > i'm not familiar with how irg works.
> >
> > It generates a random tag based on some algorithm.
> >
> > > is the seed per process state that's set up at process startup in some
> > > way? or shared (and thus effectively irg is non-deterministic in
> > > userspace)?
> >
> > The seed is only relevant if the standard algorithm is used (RRND=0).
>
> i wanted to understand if we can get deterministic
> irg behaviour in user space (which may be useful
> for debugging to get reproducible tag failures).
>
> i guess if no control is exposed that means non-
> deterministic irg. i think this is fine.
Hmmm, I guess this might eventually be wanted. But it's probably OK not
to have it to begin with.
Things like CRIU restores won't be reproducible unless the seeds can be
saved/restored.
Doesn't seem essential from day 1 though.
Cheers
---Dave
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-05-18 16:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-04-21 14:25 [PATCH v3 00/23] arm64: Memory Tagging Extension user-space support Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 01/23] arm64: alternative: Allow alternative_insn to always issue the first instruction Catalin Marinas
2020-04-27 16:57 ` Dave Martin
2020-04-28 11:43 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-04-29 10:26 ` Dave Martin
2020-04-29 14:04 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 02/23] arm64: mte: system register definitions Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 03/23] arm64: mte: CPU feature detection and initial sysreg configuration Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 04/23] arm64: mte: Use Normal Tagged attributes for the linear map Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 05/23] arm64: mte: Assembler macros and default architecture for .S files Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 06/23] arm64: mte: Tags-aware clear_page() implementation Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 07/23] arm64: mte: Tags-aware copy_page() implementation Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 08/23] arm64: Tags-aware memcmp_pages() implementation Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 09/23] arm64: mte: Add specific SIGSEGV codes Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 10/23] arm64: mte: Handle synchronous and asynchronous tag check faults Catalin Marinas
2020-04-23 10:38 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-04-27 16:58 ` Dave Martin
2020-04-28 13:43 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-04-29 10:26 ` Dave Martin
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 11/23] mm: Introduce arch_calc_vm_flag_bits() Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 12/23] arm64: mte: Add PROT_MTE support to mmap() and mprotect() Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 13/23] mm: Introduce arch_validate_flags() Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 14/23] arm64: mte: Validate the PROT_MTE request via arch_validate_flags() Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 15/23] mm: Allow arm64 mmap(PROT_MTE) on RAM-based files Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 16/23] arm64: mte: Allow user control of the tag check mode via prctl() Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 17/23] arm64: mte: Allow user control of the generated random tags " Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 18/23] arm64: mte: Restore the GCR_EL1 register after a suspend Catalin Marinas
2020-04-23 15:23 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-04-21 14:25 ` [PATCH v3 19/23] arm64: mte: Add PTRACE_{PEEK,POKE}MTETAGS support Catalin Marinas
2020-04-24 23:28 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-04-29 10:27 ` Kevin Brodsky
2020-04-29 15:24 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-04-29 16:46 ` Dave Martin
2020-04-30 10:21 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-05-04 16:40 ` Dave Martin
2020-05-05 18:03 ` Luis Machado
2020-05-12 19:05 ` Luis Machado
2020-05-13 10:48 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-05-13 12:52 ` Luis Machado
2020-05-13 14:11 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-05-13 15:09 ` Luis Machado
2020-05-13 16:45 ` Luis Machado
2020-05-13 17:11 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-05-18 16:47 ` Dave Martin
2020-05-18 17:12 ` Luis Machado
2020-05-19 16:10 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:26 ` [PATCH v3 20/23] fs: Allow copy_mount_options() to access user-space in a single pass Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 15:29 ` Al Viro
2020-04-21 16:45 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-04-27 16:56 ` Dave Martin
2020-04-28 14:06 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-04-29 10:28 ` Dave Martin
2020-04-28 18:16 ` Kevin Brodsky
2020-04-28 19:40 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-04-29 11:58 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-04-28 19:36 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-04-29 10:26 ` Dave Martin
2020-04-29 13:52 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-05-04 16:40 ` Dave Martin
2020-04-21 14:26 ` [PATCH v3 21/23] arm64: mte: Check the DT memory nodes for MTE support Catalin Marinas
2020-04-24 13:57 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-04-24 16:17 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-04-27 11:14 ` Suzuki K Poulose
2020-04-21 14:26 ` [PATCH v3 22/23] arm64: mte: Kconfig entry Catalin Marinas
2020-04-21 14:26 ` [PATCH v3 23/23] arm64: mte: Add Memory Tagging Extension documentation Catalin Marinas
2020-04-29 16:47 ` Dave Martin
2020-04-30 16:23 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-05-04 16:46 ` Dave Martin
2020-05-11 16:40 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-05-13 15:48 ` Dave Martin
2020-05-14 11:37 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-05-15 10:38 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-05-15 11:14 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-05-15 11:27 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-05-15 12:04 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-05-15 12:13 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-05-15 12:53 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-05-18 16:52 ` Dave Martin [this message]
2020-05-18 17:13 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-05-05 10:32 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-05-05 17:30 ` Catalin Marinas
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