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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 3/3] mm: add anonymous vma name refcounting
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 12:21:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202110051220.FFD4C604EF@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJuCfpE5JEThTMhwKPUREfSE1GYcTx4YSLoVhAH97fJH_qR0Zg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 05, 2021 at 12:14:59PM -0700, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 11:42 AM Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri 2021-10-01 13:56:57, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > > While forking a process with high number (64K) of named anonymous vmas the
> > > overhead caused by strdup() is noticeable. Experiments with ARM64
> > Android
> >
> > I still believe you should simply use numbers and do the
> > numbers->strings mapping in userspace. We should not need to optimize
> > strdups in kernel...
> 
> Here are complications with mapping numbers to strings in the userspace:
> Approach 1: hardcode number->string in some header file and let all
> tools use that mapping. The issue is that whenever that mapping
> changes all the tools that are using it (including 3rd party ones)
> have to be rebuilt. This is not really maintainable since we don't
> control 3rd party tools and even for the ones we control, it will be a
> maintenance issue figuring out which version of the tool used which
> header file.
> Approach 2: have a centralized facility (a process or a DB)
> maintaining number->string mapping. This would require an additional
> request to this facility whenever we want to make a number->string
> conversion. Moreover, when we want to name a VMA, we would have to
> register a new VMA name in that facility or check that one already
> exists and get its ID. So each prctl() call to name a VMA will be
> preceded by such a request (IPC call), maybe with some optimizations
> to cache already known number->string pairs. This would be quite
> expensive performance-wise. Additional issue with this approach is
> that this mapping will have to be persistent to handle a case when the
> facility crashes and has to be restored.
> 
> As I said before, it complicates userspace quite a bit. Is that a good
> enough reason to store the names in the kernel and pay a little more
> memory for that? IMHO yes, but I might be wrong.

FWIW, I prefer the strings. It's more human-readable, which is important
for the kinds of cases where the maps are being used for diagnostics,
etc.

-- 
Kees Cook


  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-05 19:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-01 20:56 [PATCH v10 1/3] mm: rearrange madvise code to allow for reuse Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-01 20:56 ` [PATCH v10 2/3] mm: add a field to store names for private anonymous memory Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-01 23:08   ` Andrew Morton
2021-10-02  0:52     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-04 16:21       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-07  2:39         ` Andrew Morton
2021-10-07  2:50           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-01 20:56 ` [PATCH v10 3/3] mm: add anonymous vma name refcounting Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-05 18:42   ` Pavel Machek
2021-10-05 19:14     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-05 19:21       ` Kees Cook [this message]
2021-10-05 20:04       ` Pavel Machek
2021-10-05 20:43         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-06  6:57           ` John Hubbard
2021-10-06  8:27             ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-06  9:27               ` David Hildenbrand
2021-10-06 15:01                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-06 15:07                   ` David Hildenbrand
2021-10-06 15:20                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-07  2:29                       ` Andrew Morton
2021-10-07  2:46                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-07  2:53                           ` Andrew Morton
2021-10-07  3:01                             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-07  7:27                               ` David Hildenbrand
2021-10-07  7:33                       ` David Hildenbrand
2021-10-07 15:42                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-06 17:58                   ` Pavel Machek
2021-10-06 18:18                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-07  8:10                       ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-07  8:41                         ` Pavel Machek
2021-10-07  8:47                         ` Rasmus Villemoes
2021-10-07 10:15                           ` Pavel Machek
2021-10-07 16:04                             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-07 16:40                               ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-07 16:58                                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-07 17:31                                   ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-07 17:50                                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-07 18:12                                       ` Kees Cook
2021-10-07 18:50                                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-07 19:02                                           ` John Hubbard
2021-10-07 21:32                                             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-08  1:04                                               ` Liam Howlett
2021-10-08  7:25                                             ` Rasmus Villemoes
2021-10-08  7:43                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2021-10-08 21:13                                                 ` Kees Cook
2021-10-08  6:34                                         ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-08 14:14                                           ` Dave Hansen
2021-10-08 14:57                                             ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-08 16:10                                               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-08 20:58                                           ` Kees Cook
2021-10-11  8:36                                             ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-12  1:18                                               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-12  1:20                                                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-12  3:00                                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2021-10-12  5:36                                                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-12 18:26                                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2021-10-12 18:52                                                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-12 20:41                                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2021-10-12 20:59                                                             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-12  7:36                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-12 16:50                                                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-12  7:43                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-10-12 17:01                                                   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-14 20:16                                                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-15  8:03                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2021-10-15 16:30                                                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-15 16:39                                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2021-10-15 18:33                                                             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-15 17:45                                                           ` Kees Cook
2021-10-07  7:59                   ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-07 15:45                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-07 16:37                       ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-07 16:43                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-07 17:25                           ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-07 17:30                             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-04  7:03 ` [PATCH v10 1/3] mm: rearrange madvise code to allow for reuse Rolf Eike Beer
2021-10-04 16:18   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-05 21:00     ` Liam Howlett
2021-10-05 21:30       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-06 17:33         ` Liam Howlett

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