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From: Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
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	Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com>,
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	 Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
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	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	"Ravi V. Shankar" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
	 Vedvyas Shanbhogue <vedvyas.shanbhogue@intel.com>,
	Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 03/14] x86/cet/ibt: Add IBT legacy code bitmap setup function
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:34:12 -0700
Message-ID: <359e6f64d646d5305c52f393db5296c469630d11.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <598edca7-c36a-a236-3b72-08b2194eb609@intel.com>

On Fri, 2019-06-14 at 13:57 -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 6/14/19 10:13 AM, Yu-cheng Yu wrote:
> > On Fri, 2019-06-14 at 09:13 -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > > On 6/14/19 8:25 AM, Yu-cheng Yu wrote:
> > > > The bitmap is very big.
> > > 
> > > Really?  It's actually, what, 8*4096=32k, so 1/32,768th of the size of
> > > the libraries legacy libraries you load?  Do our crash dumps really not
> > > know how to represent or deal with sparse mappings?
> > 
> > Ok, even the core dump is not physically big, its size still looks odd,
> > right?
> 
> Hell if I know.
> 
> Could you please go try this in practice so that we're designing this
> thing fixing real actual problems instead of phantoms that we're
> anticipating?
> 
> > Could this also affect how much time for GDB to load it.
> 
> I don't know.  Can you go find out for sure, please?

OK!

> 
> > I have a related question:
> > 
> > Do we allow the application to read the bitmap, or any fault from the
> > application on bitmap pages?
> 
> We have to allow apps to read it.  Otherwise they can't execute
> instructions.

What I meant was, if an app executes some legacy code that results in bitmap
lookup, but the bitmap page is not yet populated, and if we then populate that
page with all-zero, a #CP should follow.  So do we even populate that zero page
at all?

I think we should; a #CP is more obvious to the user at least.

> 
> We don't have to allow them to (popuating) fault on it.  But, if we
> don't, we need some kind of kernel interface to avoid the faults.

The plan is:

* Move STACK_TOP (and vdso) down to give space to the bitmap.

* Reserve the bitmap space from (mm->start_stack + PAGE_SIZE) to cover a code
size of TASK_SIZE_LOW, which is (TASK_SIZE_LOW / PAGE_SIZE / 8).

* Mmap the space only when the app issues the first mark-legacy prctl.  This
avoids the core-dump issue for most apps and the accounting problem that
MAP_NORESERVE probably won't solve completely.

* The bitmap is read-only.  The kernel sets the bitmap with
get_user_pages_fast(FOLL_WRITE) and user_access_begin()/user_addess_end().

I will send out a RFC patch.

Yu-cheng


  reply index

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-06 20:09 [PATCH v7 00/14] Control-flow Enforcement: Branch Tracking, PTRACE Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 01/14] x86/cet/ibt: Add Kconfig option for user-mode Indirect Branch Tracking Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 02/14] x86/cet/ibt: User-mode indirect branch tracking support Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 03/14] x86/cet/ibt: Add IBT legacy code bitmap setup function Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07  8:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-07 16:23     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07 16:35       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-07 16:39         ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-07 16:45         ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07 17:05           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-07 17:43       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-07 17:59         ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-07 18:29           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-07 18:58             ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-07 19:56               ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07 20:40               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-07 21:05                 ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-07 19:49             ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07 20:00               ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-07 20:06                 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07 21:09                   ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-07 22:27                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-10 16:03                       ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-10 16:05                     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-10 17:28                       ` Florian Weimer
2019-06-10 17:59                       ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-07 20:43               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-10 15:22                 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-10 18:02                   ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-10 19:38                     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-10 19:52                       ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-10 19:55                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-10 20:27                         ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-10 20:43                           ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-10 20:58                             ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-10 22:02                               ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-10 22:40                                 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-10 22:59                                   ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-10 23:20                                     ` H.J. Lu
2019-06-10 23:37                                       ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-10 23:54                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-11  0:08                                       ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-11  0:36                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-14 15:25                                     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-14 16:13                                       ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-14 17:13                                         ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-14 20:57                                           ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-14 21:34                                             ` Yu-cheng Yu [this message]
2019-06-14 22:06                                               ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-15 15:30                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-11  7:24                                 ` Florian Weimer
2019-06-08 20:52           ` Pavel Machek
2019-06-10 15:47             ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-11 10:33               ` Pavel Machek
2019-06-07 19:03   ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-07 19:23     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 04/14] x86/cet/ibt: Handle signals for IBT Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 05/14] mm/mmap: Add IBT bitmap size to address space limit check Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 06/14] x86/cet/ibt: ELF header parsing for IBT Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 07/14] x86/cet/ibt: Add arch_prctl functions " Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-07  8:07   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 08/14] x86/cet/ibt: Add ENDBR to op-code-map Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 09/14] x86/vdso: Insert endbr32/endbr64 to vDSO Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:26   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 10/14] x86/vdso/32: Add ENDBR32 to __kernel_vsyscall entry point Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:25   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 11/14] x86/vsyscall/64: Add ENDBR64 to vsyscall entry points Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:28   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 12/14] x86/vsyscall/64: Fixup shadow stack and branch tracking for vsyscall Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:27   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 13/14] x86/cet: Add PTRACE interface for CET Yu-cheng Yu
2019-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v7 14/14] x86: Discard .note.gnu.property sections Yu-cheng Yu

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