From: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>, Gao Xiang <xiang@kernel.org>,
Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>, Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
Kefeng Wang <wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/4] mm: swap: Remove CLUSTER_FLAG_HUGE from swap_cluster_info:flags
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 17:14:00 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7774edad-a194-4259-a95f-88bcef846f90@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c12fbea5-0d5d-4c06-b063-dab3dd00e704@redhat.com>
On 01/03/2024 17:00, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 01.03.24 17:44, Ryan Roberts wrote:
>> On 01/03/2024 16:31, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>>> On Fri, Mar 01, 2024 at 04:27:32PM +0000, Ryan Roberts wrote:
>>>> I've implemented the batching as David suggested, and I'm pretty confident it's
>>>> correct. The only problem is that during testing I can't provoke the code to
>>>> take the path. I've been pouring through the code but struggling to figure out
>>>> under what situation you would expect the swap entry passed to
>>>> free_swap_and_cache() to still have a cached folio? Does anyone have any idea?
>>>>
>>>> This is the original (unbatched) function, after my change, which caused
>>>> David's
>>>> concern that we would end up calling __try_to_reclaim_swap() far too much:
>>>>
>>>> int free_swap_and_cache(swp_entry_t entry)
>>>> {
>>>> struct swap_info_struct *p;
>>>> unsigned char count;
>>>>
>>>> if (non_swap_entry(entry))
>>>> return 1;
>>>>
>>>> p = _swap_info_get(entry);
>>>> if (p) {
>>>> count = __swap_entry_free(p, entry);
>>>> if (count == SWAP_HAS_CACHE)
>>>> __try_to_reclaim_swap(p, swp_offset(entry),
>>>> TTRS_UNMAPPED | TTRS_FULL);
>>>> }
>>>> return p != NULL;
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> The trouble is, whenever its called, count is always 0, so
>>>> __try_to_reclaim_swap() never gets called.
>>>>
>>>> My test case is allocating 1G anon memory, then doing madvise(MADV_PAGEOUT)
>>>> over
>>>> it. Then doing either a munmap() or madvise(MADV_FREE), both of which cause
>>>> this
>>>> function to be called for every PTE, but count is always 0 after
>>>> __swap_entry_free() so __try_to_reclaim_swap() is never called. I've tried for
>>>> order-0 as well as PTE- and PMD-mapped 2M THP.
>>>
>>> I think you have to page it back in again, then it will have an entry in
>>> the swap cache. Maybe. I know little about anon memory ;-)
>>
>> Ahh, I was under the impression that the original folio is put into the swap
>> cache at swap out, then (I guess) its removed once the IO is complete? I'm sure
>> I'm miles out... what exactly is the lifecycle of a folio going through swap out?
>
> I thought with most (disk) backends you will add it to the swapcache and leave
> it there until there is actual memory pressure. Only then, under memory
> pressure, you'd actually reclaim the folio.
OK, my problem is that I'm using a VM, whose disk shows up as rotating media, so
the swap subsystem refuses to swap out THPs to that and they get split. To solve
that, (and to speed up testing) I moved to the block ram disk, which convinces
swap to swap-out THPs. But that causes the folios to be removed from the swap
cache (I assumed because its syncrhonous, but maybe there is a flag somewhere to
affect that behavior?) And I can't convince QEMU to emulate an SSD to the guest
under macos. Perhaps the easiest thing is to hack it to ignore the rotating
media flag.
>
> You can fault it back in from the swapcache without having to go to disk.
>
> That's how you can today end up with a THP in the swapcache: during swapin from
> disk (after the folio was reclaimed) you'd currently only get order-0 folios.
>
> At least that was my assumption with my MADV_PAGEOUT testing so far :)
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-03-01 17:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-10-25 14:45 [PATCH v3 0/4] Swap-out small-sized THP without splitting Ryan Roberts
2023-10-25 14:45 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] mm: swap: Remove CLUSTER_FLAG_HUGE from swap_cluster_info:flags Ryan Roberts
2024-02-22 10:19 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-22 10:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-26 17:41 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-27 17:10 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-27 19:17 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28 9:37 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-28 12:12 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28 14:57 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-28 15:12 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28 15:18 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-01 16:27 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-01 16:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-01 16:44 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-01 17:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-01 17:14 ` Ryan Roberts [this message]
2024-03-01 17:18 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-01 17:06 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-04 4:52 ` Barry Song
2024-03-04 5:42 ` Barry Song
2024-03-05 7:41 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-01 16:31 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-01 16:32 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-04 16:03 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-04 17:30 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-04 18:38 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-04 20:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-04 21:55 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-04 22:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-04 22:34 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-05 6:11 ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-05 8:35 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-05 8:46 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-28 13:33 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-28 14:24 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-28 14:59 ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-25 14:45 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] mm: swap: Remove struct percpu_cluster Ryan Roberts
2023-10-25 14:45 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] mm: swap: Simplify ssd behavior when scanner steals entry Ryan Roberts
2023-10-25 14:45 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] mm: swap: Swap-out small-sized THP without splitting Ryan Roberts
2023-10-30 8:18 ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-30 13:59 ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-31 8:12 ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-03 11:42 ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-02 7:40 ` Barry Song
2023-11-02 10:21 ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-02 22:36 ` Barry Song
2023-11-03 11:31 ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-03 13:57 ` Steven Price
2023-11-04 9:34 ` Barry Song
2023-11-06 10:12 ` Steven Price
2023-11-06 21:39 ` Barry Song
2023-11-08 11:51 ` Steven Price
2023-11-07 12:46 ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-07 18:05 ` Barry Song
2023-11-08 11:23 ` Barry Song
2023-11-08 20:20 ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-08 21:04 ` Barry Song
2023-11-04 5:49 ` Barry Song
2024-02-05 9:51 ` Barry Song
2024-02-05 12:14 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-18 23:40 ` Barry Song
2024-02-20 20:03 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-05 9:00 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-05 9:54 ` Barry Song
2024-03-05 10:44 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-27 12:28 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-27 13:37 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-28 2:46 ` Barry Song
2024-02-22 7:05 ` Barry Song
2024-02-22 10:09 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-23 9:46 ` Barry Song
2024-02-27 12:05 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-28 1:23 ` Barry Song
2024-02-28 9:34 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28 23:18 ` Barry Song
2024-02-28 15:57 ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-29 7:47 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] " Barry Song
2023-11-29 12:06 ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-29 20:38 ` Barry Song
2024-01-18 11:10 ` [PATCH RFC 0/6] mm: support large folios swap-in Barry Song
2024-01-18 11:10 ` [PATCH RFC 1/6] arm64: mm: swap: support THP_SWAP on hardware with MTE Barry Song
2024-01-26 23:14 ` Chris Li
2024-02-26 2:59 ` Barry Song
2024-01-18 11:10 ` [PATCH RFC 2/6] mm: swap: introduce swap_nr_free() for batched swap_free() Barry Song
2024-01-26 23:17 ` Chris Li
2024-02-26 4:47 ` Barry Song
2024-01-18 11:10 ` [PATCH RFC 3/6] mm: swap: make should_try_to_free_swap() support large-folio Barry Song
2024-01-26 23:22 ` Chris Li
2024-01-18 11:10 ` [PATCH RFC 4/6] mm: support large folios swapin as a whole Barry Song
2024-01-27 19:53 ` Chris Li
2024-02-26 7:29 ` Barry Song
2024-01-27 20:06 ` Chris Li
2024-02-26 7:31 ` Barry Song
2024-01-18 11:10 ` [PATCH RFC 5/6] mm: rmap: weaken the WARN_ON in __folio_add_anon_rmap() Barry Song
2024-01-18 11:54 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-01-23 6:49 ` Barry Song
2024-01-29 3:25 ` Chris Li
2024-01-29 10:06 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-01-29 16:31 ` Chris Li
2024-02-26 5:05 ` Barry Song
2024-04-06 23:27 ` Barry Song
2024-01-27 23:41 ` Chris Li
2024-01-18 11:10 ` [PATCH RFC 6/6] mm: madvise: don't split mTHP for MADV_PAGEOUT Barry Song
2024-01-29 2:15 ` Chris Li
2024-02-26 6:39 ` Barry Song
2024-02-27 12:22 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-27 22:39 ` Barry Song
2024-02-27 14:40 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-27 18:57 ` Barry Song
2024-02-28 3:49 ` Barry Song
2024-01-18 15:25 ` [PATCH RFC 0/6] mm: support large folios swap-in Ryan Roberts
2024-01-18 23:54 ` Barry Song
2024-01-19 13:25 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-01-27 14:27 ` Barry Song
2024-01-29 9:05 ` Huang, Ying
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