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From: Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>
To: Alex Shi <alex.shi@linux.alibaba.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v17 14/21] mm/compaction: do page isolation first in compaction
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:51:47 -0700
Message-ID: <CAKgT0UeuuQqpYRXXAs_YurWyDOtqx4y3sx7e4Xi2TE6s_7++Fg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9581db48-cef3-788a-7f5a-8548fee56c13@linux.alibaba.com>

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 4:44 AM Alex Shi <alex.shi@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> 在 2020/8/11 下午10:47, Alexander Duyck 写道:
> > On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 1:23 AM Alex Shi <alex.shi@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 在 2020/8/10 下午10:41, Alexander Duyck 写道:
> >>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 6:10 AM Alex Shi <alex.shi@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 在 2020/8/7 下午10:51, Alexander Duyck 写道:
> >>>>> I wonder if this entire section shouldn't be restructured. This is the
> >>>>> only spot I can see where we are resetting the LRU flag instead of
> >>>>> pulling the page from the LRU list with the lock held. Looking over
> >>>>> the code it seems like something like that should be possible. I am
> >>>>> not sure the LRU lock is really protecting us in either the
> >>>>> PageCompound check nor the skip bits. It seems like holding a
> >>>>> reference on the page should prevent it from switching between
> >>>>> compound or not, and the skip bits are per pageblock with the LRU bits
> >>>>> being per node/memcg which I would think implies that we could have
> >>>>> multiple LRU locks that could apply to a single skip bit.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Alexander,
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't find problem yet on compound or skip bit usage. Would you clarify the
> >>>> issue do you concerned?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> The point I was getting at is that the LRU lock is being used to
> >>> protect these and with your changes I don't think that makes sense
> >>> anymore.
> >>>
> >>> The skip bits are per-pageblock bits. With your change the LRU lock is
> >>> now per memcg first and then per node. As such I do not believe it
> >>> really provides any sort of exclusive access to the skip bits. I still
> >>> have to look into this more, but it seems like you need a lock per
> >>> either section or zone that can be used to protect those bits and deal
> >>> with this sooner rather than waiting until you have found an LRU page.
> >>> The one part that is confusing though is that the definition of the
> >>> skip bits seems to call out that they are a hint since they are not
> >>> protected by a lock, but that is exactly what has been happening here.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The skip bits are safe here, since even it race with other skip action,
> >> It will still skip out. The skip action is try not to compaction too much,
> >> not a exclusive action needs avoid race.
> >
> > That would be the case if it didn't have the impact that they
> > currently do on the compaction process. What I am getting at is that a
> > race was introduced when you placed this test between the clearing of
> > the LRU flag and the actual pulling of the page from the LRU list. So
> > if you tested the skip bits before clearing the LRU flag then I would
> > be okay with the code, however because it is triggering an abort after
>
> Hi Alexander,
>
> Thanks a lot for comments and suggestions!
>
> I have tried your suggestion:
>
> Signed-off-by: Alex Shi <alex.shi@linux.alibaba.com>
> ---
>  mm/compaction.c | 14 +++++++-------
>  1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/mm/compaction.c b/mm/compaction.c
> index b99c96c4862d..6c881dee8c9a 100644
> --- a/mm/compaction.c
> +++ b/mm/compaction.c
> @@ -988,6 +988,13 @@ static bool too_many_isolated(pg_data_t *pgdat)
>                 if (__isolate_lru_page_prepare(page, isolate_mode) != 0)
>                         goto isolate_fail_put;
>
> +               /* Try get exclusive access under lock */
> +               if (!skip_updated) {
> +                       skip_updated = true;
> +                       if (test_and_set_skip(cc, page, low_pfn))
> +                               goto isolate_fail_put;
> +               }
> +
>                 /* Try isolate the page */
>                 if (!TestClearPageLRU(page))
>                         goto isolate_fail_put;

I would have made this much sooner. Probably before you call
get_page_unless_zero so as to avoid the unnecessary atomic operations.

> @@ -1006,13 +1013,6 @@ static bool too_many_isolated(pg_data_t *pgdat)
>
>                         lruvec_memcg_debug(lruvec, page);
>
> -                       /* Try get exclusive access under lock */
> -                       if (!skip_updated) {
> -                               skip_updated = true;
> -                               if (test_and_set_skip(cc, page, low_pfn))
> -                                       goto isolate_abort;
> -                       }
> -
>                         /*
>                          * Page become compound since the non-locked check,
>                          * and it's on LRU. It can only be a THP so the order
> --
>
> Performance of case-lru-file-mmap-read in vm-scalibity is dropped a bit. not
> helpful

So one issue with this change is that it is still too late to be of
much benefit. Really you should probably be doing this much sooner,
for example somewhere before the get_page_unless_zero(). Also the
thing that still has me scratching my head is the "Try get exclusive
access under lock" comment. The function declaration says this is
supposed to be a hint, but we were using the LRU lock to synchronize
it. I'm wondering if we should really be protecting this with the zone
lock since we are modifying the pageblock flags which also contain the
migration type value for the pageblock and are only modified while
holding the zone lock.

> > the LRU flag is cleared then you are creating a situation where
> > multiple processes will be stomping all over each other as you can
> > have each thread essentially take a page via the LRU flag, but only
> > one thread will process a page and it could skip over all other pages
> > that preemptively had their LRU flag cleared.
>
> It increase a bit crowd here, but lru_lock do reduce some them, and skip_bit
> could stop each other in a array check(bitmap). So compare to whole node
> lru_lock, the net profit is clear in patch 17.

My concern is that what you can end up with is multiple threads all
working over the same pageblock for isolation. With the old code the
LRU lock was used to make certain that test_and_set_skip was being
synchronized on the first page in the pageblock so you would only have
one thread going through and working a single pageblock. However after
your changes it doesn't seem like the test_and_set_skip has that
protection since only one thread will ever be able to successfully
call it for the first page in the pageblock assuming that the LRU flag
is set on the first page in the pageblock block.

> >
> > If you take a look at the test_and_set_skip the function only acts on
> > the pageblock aligned PFN for a given range. WIth the changes you have
> > in place now that would mean that only one thread would ever actually
> > call this function anyway since the first PFN would take the LRU flag
> > so no other thread could follow through and test or set the bit as
>
> Is this good for only one process could do test_and_set_skip? is that
> the 'skip' meaning to be?

So only one thread really getting to fully use test_and_set_skip is
good, however the issue is that there is nothing to synchronize the
testing from the other threads. As a result the other threads could
have isolated other pages within the pageblock before the thread that
is calling test_and_set_skip will get to complete the setting of the
skip bit. This will result in isolation failures for the thread that
set the skip bit which may be undesirable behavior.

With the old code the threads were all synchronized on testing the
first PFN in the pageblock while holding the LRU lock and that is what
we lost. My concern is the cases where skip_on_failure == true are
going to fail much more often now as the threads can easily interfere
with each other.

> > well. The expectation before was that all threads would encounter this
> > test and either proceed after setting the bit for the first PFN or
> > abort after testing the first PFN. With you changes only the first
> > thread actually runs this test and then it and the others will likely
> > encounter multiple failures as they are all clearing LRU bits
> > simultaneously and tripping each other up. That is why the skip bit
> > must have a test and set done before you even get to the point of
> > clearing the LRU flag.
>
> It make the things warse in my machine, would you like to have a try by yourself?

I plan to do that. I have already been working on a few things to
clean up and optimize your patch set further. I will try to submit an
RFC this evening so we can discuss.

> >
> >>> The point I was getting at with the PageCompound check is that instead
> >>> of needing the LRU lock you should be able to look at PageCompound as
> >>> soon as you call get_page_unless_zero() and preempt the need to set
> >>> the LRU bit again. Instead of trying to rely on the LRU lock to
> >>> guarantee that the page hasn't been merged you could just rely on the
> >>> fact that you are holding a reference to it so it isn't going to
> >>> switch between being compound or order 0 since it cannot be freed. It
> >>> spoils the idea I originally had of combining the logic for
> >>> get_page_unless_zero and TestClearPageLRU into a single function, but
> >>> the advantage is you aren't clearing the LRU flag unless you are
> >>> actually going to pull the page from the LRU list.
> >>
> >> Sorry, I still can not follow you here. Compound code part is unchanged
> >> and follow the original logical. So would you like to pose a new code to
> >> see if its works?
> >
> > No there are significant changes as you reordered all of the
> > operations. Prior to your change the LRU bit was checked, but not
> > cleared before testing for PageCompound. Now you are clearing it
> > before you are testing if it is a compound page. So if compaction is
> > running we will be seeing the pages in the LRU stay put, but the
> > compound bit flickering off and on if the compound page is encountered
> > with the wrong or NULL lruvec. What I was suggesting is that the
>
> The lruvec could be wrong or NULL here, that is the base stone of whole
> patchset.

Sorry I had a typo in my comment as well as it is the LRU bit that
will be flickering, not the compound. The goal here is to avoid
clearing the LRU bit unless we are sure we are going to take the
lruvec lock and pull the page from the list.

> > PageCompound test probably doesn't need to be concerned with the lock
> > after your changes. You could test it after you call
> > get_page_unless_zero() and before you call
> > __isolate_lru_page_prepare(). Instead of relying on the LRU lock to
> > protect us from the page switching between compound and not we would
> > be relying on the fact that we are holding a reference to the page so
> > it should not be freed and transition between compound or not.
> >
>
> I have tried the patch as your suggested, it has no clear help on performance
> on above vm-scaliblity case. Maybe it's due to we checked the same thing
> before lock already.
>
> diff --git a/mm/compaction.c b/mm/compaction.c
> index b99c96c4862d..cf2ac5148001 100644
> --- a/mm/compaction.c
> +++ b/mm/compaction.c
> @@ -985,6 +985,16 @@ static bool too_many_isolated(pg_data_t *pgdat)
>                 if (unlikely(!get_page_unless_zero(page)))
>                         goto isolate_fail;
>
> +                       /*
> +                        * Page become compound since the non-locked check,
> +                        * and it's on LRU. It can only be a THP so the order
> +                        * is safe to read and it's 0 for tail pages.
> +                        */
> +                       if (unlikely(PageCompound(page) && !cc->alloc_contig)) {
> +                               low_pfn += compound_nr(page) - 1;
> +                               goto isolate_fail_put;
> +                       }
> +
>                 if (__isolate_lru_page_prepare(page, isolate_mode) != 0)
>                         goto isolate_fail_put;
>
> @@ -1013,16 +1023,6 @@ static bool too_many_isolated(pg_data_t *pgdat)
>                                         goto isolate_abort;
>                         }
>
> -                       /*
> -                        * Page become compound since the non-locked check,
> -                        * and it's on LRU. It can only be a THP so the order
> -                        * is safe to read and it's 0 for tail pages.
> -                        */
> -                       if (unlikely(PageCompound(page) && !cc->alloc_contig)) {
> -                               low_pfn += compound_nr(page) - 1;
> -                               SetPageLRU(page);
> -                               goto isolate_fail_put;
> -                       }
>                 } else
>                         rcu_read_unlock();
>

So actually there is more we could do than just this. Specifically a
few lines below the rcu_read_lock there is yet another PageCompound
check that sets low_pfn yet again. So in theory we could combine both
of those and modify the code so you end up with something more like:
@@ -968,6 +974,16 @@ isolate_migratepages_block(struct compact_control
*cc, unsigned long low_pfn,
                if (unlikely(!get_page_unless_zero(page)))
                        goto isolate_fail;

+               if (PageCompound(page)) {
+                       const unsigned int order = compound_order(page);
+
+                       if (likely(order < MAX_ORDER))
+                               low_pfn += (1UL << order) - 1;
+
+                       if (unlikely(!cc->alloc_contig))
+                               goto isolate_fail_put;
+               }
+
                if (__isolate_lru_page_prepare(page, isolate_mode) != 0)
                        goto isolate_fail_put;

Doing this you would be more likely to skip over the entire compound
page in a single jump should you not be able to either take the LRU
bit or encounter a busy page in __isolate_Lru_page_prepare. I had
copied this bit from an earlier check and modified it as I was not
sure I can guarantee that this is a THP since we haven't taken the LRU
lock yet. However I believe the page cannot be split up while we are
holding the extra reference so the PageCompound flag and order should
not change until we call put_page.


  parent reply index

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-25 12:59 [PATCH v17 00/21] per memcg lru lock Alex Shi
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 01/21] mm/vmscan: remove unnecessary lruvec adding Alex Shi
2020-08-06  3:47   ` Alex Shi
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 02/21] mm/page_idle: no unlikely double check for idle page counting Alex Shi
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 03/21] mm/compaction: correct the comments of compact_defer_shift Alex Shi
2020-07-27 17:29   ` Alexander Duyck
2020-07-28 11:59     ` Alex Shi
2020-07-28 14:17       ` Alexander Duyck
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 04/21] mm/compaction: rename compact_deferred as compact_should_defer Alex Shi
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 05/21] mm/thp: move lru_add_page_tail func to huge_memory.c Alex Shi
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 06/21] mm/thp: clean up lru_add_page_tail Alex Shi
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 07/21] mm/thp: remove code path which never got into Alex Shi
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 08/21] mm/thp: narrow lru locking Alex Shi
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 09/21] mm/memcg: add debug checking in lock_page_memcg Alex Shi
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 10/21] mm/swap: fold vm event PGROTATED into pagevec_move_tail_fn Alex Shi
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 11/21] mm/lru: move lru_lock holding in func lru_note_cost_page Alex Shi
2020-08-05 21:18   ` Alexander Duyck
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 12/21] mm/lru: move lock into lru_note_cost Alex Shi
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 13/21] mm/lru: introduce TestClearPageLRU Alex Shi
2020-07-29  3:53   ` Alex Shi
2020-08-05 22:43     ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-06  1:54       ` Alex Shi
2020-08-06 14:41         ` Alexander Duyck
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 14/21] mm/compaction: do page isolation first in compaction Alex Shi
2020-08-04 21:35   ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-06 18:38   ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-07  3:24     ` Alex Shi
2020-08-07 14:51       ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-10 13:10         ` Alex Shi
2020-08-10 14:41           ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-11  8:22             ` Alex Shi
2020-08-11 14:47               ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-12 11:43                 ` Alex Shi
2020-08-12 12:16                   ` Alex Shi
2020-08-12 16:51                   ` Alexander Duyck [this message]
2020-08-13  1:46                     ` Alex Shi
2020-08-13  2:17                       ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-13  3:52                         ` Alex Shi
2020-08-13  4:02                       ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] " Alexander Duyck
2020-08-13  4:02                         ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] mm: Drop locked from isolate_migratepages_block Alexander Duyck
2020-08-13  6:56                           ` Alex Shi
2020-08-13 14:32                             ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-14  7:25                               ` Alex Shi
2020-08-13  7:44                           ` Alex Shi
2020-08-13 14:26                             ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-13  4:02                         ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] mm: Drop use of test_and_set_skip in favor of just setting skip Alexander Duyck
2020-08-14  7:19                           ` Alex Shi
2020-08-14 14:24                             ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-14 21:15                               ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-15  9:49                                 ` Alex Shi
2020-08-17 15:38                                   ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-18  6:50                           ` Alex Shi
2020-08-13  4:02                         ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] mm: Identify compound pages sooner in isolate_migratepages_block Alexander Duyck
2020-08-14  7:20                           ` Alex Shi
2020-08-17 22:58   ` [PATCH v17 14/21] mm/compaction: do page isolation first in compaction Alexander Duyck
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 15/21] mm/thp: add tail pages into lru anyway in split_huge_page() Alex Shi
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 16/21] mm/swap: serialize memcg changes in pagevec_lru_move_fn Alex Shi
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 17/21] mm/lru: replace pgdat lru_lock with lruvec lock Alex Shi
2020-07-27 23:34   ` Alexander Duyck
2020-07-28  7:15     ` Alex Shi
2020-07-28 11:19     ` Alex Shi
2020-07-28 14:54       ` Alexander Duyck
2020-07-29  1:00         ` Alex Shi
2020-07-29  1:27           ` Alexander Duyck
2020-07-29  2:27             ` Alex Shi
2020-07-28 15:39     ` Alex Shi
2020-07-28 15:55       ` Alexander Duyck
2020-07-29  0:48         ` Alex Shi
2020-07-29  3:54   ` Alex Shi
2020-08-06  7:41   ` Alex Shi
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 18/21] mm/lru: introduce the relock_page_lruvec function Alex Shi
2020-07-29 17:52   ` Alexander Duyck
2020-07-30  6:08     ` Alex Shi
2020-07-31 14:20       ` Alexander Duyck
2020-07-31 21:14   ` [PATCH RFC] mm: Add function for testing if the current lruvec lock is valid alexander.h.duyck
2020-07-31 23:54     ` Alex Shi
2020-08-02 18:20       ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-04  6:13         ` Alex Shi
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 19/21] mm/vmscan: use relock for move_pages_to_lru Alex Shi
2020-08-03 22:49   ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-04  6:23     ` Alex Shi
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 20/21] mm/pgdat: remove pgdat lru_lock Alex Shi
2020-08-03 22:42   ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-03 22:45     ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-04  6:22       ` Alex Shi
2020-07-25 12:59 ` [PATCH v17 21/21] mm/lru: revise the comments of lru_lock Alex Shi
2020-08-03 22:37   ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-04 10:04     ` Alex Shi
2020-08-04 14:29       ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-06  1:39         ` Alex Shi
2020-08-06 16:27           ` Alexander Duyck
2020-07-27  5:40 ` [PATCH v17 00/21] per memcg lru lock Alex Shi
2020-07-29 14:49   ` Alex Shi
2020-07-29 18:06     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-30  2:16       ` Alex Shi
2020-08-03 15:07         ` Michal Hocko
2020-08-04  6:14           ` Alex Shi
2020-07-31 21:31 ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-04  8:36 ` Alex Shi
2020-08-04  8:36 ` Alex Shi
2020-08-04  8:37 ` Alex Shi
2020-08-04  8:37 ` Alex Shi

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