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From: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm, memcg: clear page protection when memcg oom group happens
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 17:35:59 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALOAHbA0qj8VR=wwZC1s6eSnOiGiqtvdNFy16yM+LbxVH_gKsg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191126073129.GA20912@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:31 PM Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue 26-11-19 11:52:19, Yafang Shao wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 10:42 PM Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 03:21:50PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > On Mon 25-11-19 22:11:15, Yafang Shao wrote:
> > > > > When there're no processes, we don't need to protect the pages. You
> > > > > can consider it as 'fault tolerance' .
> > > >
> > > > I have already tried to explain why this is a bold statement that
> > > > doesn't really hold universally and that the kernel doesn't really have
> > > > enough information to make an educated guess.
> > >
> > > I agree, this is not obviously true. And the kernel shouldn't try to
> > > guess whether the explicit userspace configuration is still desirable
> > > to userspace or not. Should we also delete the cgroup when it becomes
> > > empty for example?
> > >
> > > It's better to implement these kinds of policy decisions from
> > > userspace.
> > >
> > > There is a cgroup.events file that can be polled, and its "populated"
> > > field shows conveniently whether there are tasks in a subtree or
> > > not. You can use that to clear protection settings.
> >
> > Why isn't force_empty supported in cgroup2 ?
>
> There wasn't any sound usecase AFAIR.
>
> > In this case we can free the protected file pages immdiately with force_empty.
>
> You can do the same thing by setting the hard limit to 0.

I look though the code, and the difference between setting the hard
limit to 0 and force empty is that setting the hard limit to 0 will
generate some OOM reports, that should not happen in this case.
I think we should make little improvement as bellow,

@@ -6137,9 +6137,11 @@ static ssize_t memory_max_write(struct
kernfs_open_file *of,
                        continue;
                }

-               memcg_memory_event(memcg, MEMCG_OOM);
-               if (!mem_cgroup_out_of_memory(memcg, GFP_KERNEL, 0))
-                       break;
+               if (cgroup_is_populated(memcg->css.cgroup)) {
+                       memcg_memory_event(memcg, MEMCG_OOM);
+                       if (!mem_cgroup_out_of_memory(memcg, GFP_KERNEL, 0))
+                               break;
+               }
        }

Well,  if someone don't want to kill proesses but only want ot drop
page caches, setting the hard limit to 0 won't work.

Thanks
Yafang


Thanks
Yafang


  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-26  9:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-25 10:14 [PATCH] mm, memcg: clear page protection when memcg oom group happens Yafang Shao
2019-11-25 11:08 ` Michal Hocko
2019-11-25 11:37   ` Yafang Shao
2019-11-25 11:54     ` Michal Hocko
2019-11-25 12:17       ` Yafang Shao
2019-11-25 12:31         ` Michal Hocko
2019-11-25 12:37           ` Yafang Shao
2019-11-25 12:45             ` Michal Hocko
2019-11-25 14:11               ` Yafang Shao
2019-11-25 14:21                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-11-25 14:42                   ` Johannes Weiner
2019-11-25 14:45                     ` Yafang Shao
2019-11-26  3:52                     ` Yafang Shao
2019-11-26  7:31                       ` Michal Hocko
2019-11-26  9:35                         ` Yafang Shao [this message]
2019-11-26  9:50                           ` Michal Hocko
2019-11-26 10:02                             ` Yafang Shao
2019-11-26 10:22                               ` Michal Hocko
2019-11-26 10:56                                 ` Yafang Shao
2019-11-25 14:44                   ` Yafang Shao

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