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From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm: soft_dirty: userfaultfd: introduce wrprotect_tlb_flush_pending
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 18:48:01 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <X/edsWgguQDgsOtx@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wgRZ5o5pUqKC6cwTLU=V-G+rF5DTexGh1kCMGrgXDufew@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 07, 2021 at 02:51:24PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Ho humm. I had obviously not looked very much at that code. I had done
> a quick git grep, but now that I look closer, it *does* get the
> mmap_sem for writing, but only for that VM_SOFTDIRTY bit clearing, and
> then it does a mmap_write_downgrade().
> 
> So that's why I had looked more at the UFFD code, because that one was
> the one I was aware of doing this all with just the read lock. I
> _thought_ the softdirty code already took the write lock and wouldn't
> race with page faults.
> 
> But I had missed that write_downgrade. So yeah, this code has the same issue.

I overlooked the same thing initially. It's only when I noticed it
also used mmap_read_lock, that I figured that the group lock thingy
uffd-wp ad-hoc solution, despite it was fully self contained thanks to
the handle_userfault() catcher for the uffd-wp bit in the pagetable,
wasn't worth it since uffd-wp could always use whatever clear_refs
used to solve it.

> Anyway, the fix is - I think - the same I outlined earlier when I was
> talking about UFFD: take the thing for writing, so that you can't
> race.

Sure.

> The alternate fix remains "make sure we always flush the TLB before
> releasing the page table lock, and make COW do the copy under the page
> table lock". But I really would prefer to just have this code follow

The copy under PT lock isn't enough.

Flush TLB before releasing is enough of course.

Note also the patch in 2/2 patch that I sent:

     https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20210107200402.31095-3-aarcange@redhat.com

2/2 would have been my preferred solution for both and it works
fine. All corruption that was trivially reproducible with heavy
selftest program in the kernel, is all gone.

If only the TLB pending issue was the only regression page_count in
do_wp_page introduced, I would have never suggested we should
re-evaluate it. It'd be a good tradeoff in such case, even if it'd
penalize the soft-dirty runtime, especially if we were allowed to
deploy 2/2 as a non-blocking solution.

Until yesterday I fully intended to just propose 1/2 and 2/2, with a
whole different cover letter, CC stable and close this case.

> all the usual rules, and if it does a write protect, then it should
> take the mmap_sem for writing.

The problem isn't about performance anymore, the problem is a silent
ABI break to long term PIN user attached to an mm under clear_refs.

> Why is that very simple rule so bad?
> 
> (And see my unrelated but incidental note on it being a good idea to
> try to minimize latency by making surfe we don't do any IO under the
> mmap lock - whether held for reading _or_ writing. Because I do think
> we can improve in that area, if you have some good test-case).

That would be great indeed.

Thanks,
Andrea



  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-07 23:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-25  9:25 [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] mm: fix races due to deferred TLB flushes Nadav Amit
2020-12-25  9:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] mm/userfaultfd: fix memory corruption due to writeprotect Nadav Amit
2021-01-04 12:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-04 19:24     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-04 19:35       ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-04 20:19         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-04 20:39           ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-04 21:01             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-04 21:26               ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 18:45                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 19:05                   ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 19:45                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 20:06                       ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 21:06                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 21:43                           ` Peter Xu
2021-01-05  8:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-05  8:52         ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 14:26           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-05  8:58       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-05  9:22         ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 17:58         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 15:08   ` Peter Xu
2021-01-05 18:08     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 18:41       ` Peter Xu
2021-01-05 18:55         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 19:07     ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 19:43       ` Peter Xu
2020-12-25  9:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/2] fs/task_mmu: acquire mmap_lock for write on soft-dirty cleanup Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 15:08   ` Will Deacon
2021-01-05 18:20   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 19:26     ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 20:39       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 21:20         ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-05 21:22         ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 22:16           ` Will Deacon
2021-01-06  0:29             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-06  0:02           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 20:04           ` [PATCH 0/2] page_count can't be used to decide when wp_page_copy Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 20:04             ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: proc: Invalidate TLB after clearing soft-dirty page state Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 20:04             ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: soft_dirty: userfaultfd: introduce wrprotect_tlb_flush_pending Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 20:17               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 20:25                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 20:58                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 21:29                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 21:53                     ` John Hubbard
2021-01-07 22:00                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:14                         ` John Hubbard
2021-01-07 22:20                           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:24                             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:37                               ` John Hubbard
2021-01-15 11:27                       ` Jan Kara
2021-01-07 22:31                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 22:42                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 23:48                           ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2021-01-08  0:25                             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 12:48                               ` Will Deacon
2021-01-08 16:14                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 17:39                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 17:53                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 19:25                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-09  0:12                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 17:30                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 23:28                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 21:36               ` kernel test robot
2021-01-07 20:25             ` [PATCH 0/2] page_count can't be used to decide when wp_page_copy Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-07 20:32               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 21:05                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:02                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 22:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:56                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-09 19:32                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-01-09 19:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-15 14:30                       ` Jan Kara
2021-01-07 21:54                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 21:45               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 13:36                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-08 17:00                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 18:19                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-08 18:31                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-01-08 18:38                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 23:34                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-09 19:03                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-01-09 19:15                             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 18:59                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 22:43                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-09  0:42                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-09  2:50                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-11 14:30                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-13 21:56                           ` Jerome Glisse
2021-01-13 23:39                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-14  2:35                               ` Jerome Glisse
2021-01-09  3:49                       ` Hillf Danton
2021-01-11 14:39                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-05 21:55         ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/2] fs/task_mmu: acquire mmap_lock for write on soft-dirty cleanup Peter Xu

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