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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
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	Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@yandex.ru>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 5/9] mm: multigenerational lru: mm_struct list
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 16:21:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YdxPEdsfl771Z7IX@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YdjYkFmtMdrYg736@google.com>

On Fri 07-01-22 17:19:28, Yu Zhao wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 10:06:15AM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Tue 04-01-22 13:22:24, Yu Zhao wrote:
> > > To exploit spatial locality, the aging prefers to walk page tables to
> > > search for young PTEs. And this patch paves the way for that.
> > > 
> > > An mm_struct list is maintained for each memcg, and an mm_struct
> > > follows its owner task to the new memcg when this task is migrated.
> > 
> > How does this work actually for the memcg reclaim? I can see you
> > lru_gen_migrate_mm on the task migration. My concern is, though, that
> > such a task leaves all the memory behind in the previous memcg (in
> > cgroup v2, in v1 you can opt in for charge migration). If you move the
> > mm to a new memcg then you age it somewhere where the memory is not
> > really consumed.
> 
> There are two options to gather the accessed bit: page table walks and
> rmap walks. Page table walks sweep dense hotspots that are NOT
> misplaced in terms of reclaim scope (lruvec); rmap walks cover what
> page table walks miss, e.g., misplaced dense hotspots or sparse ones.
> 
> Dense hotspots are stored in Bloom filters for each lruvec.
> 
> If an mm leaves everything in the old memcg, page table walks in the
> new memcg reclaim path basically ignore this mm after the first scan,
> because everything is misplaced.

OK, so do I get it right that pages mapped from a different memcg than
the reclaimed one are considered effectivelly non-present from the the
reclaim logic POV? This would be worth mentioning in the migration
callback because it is not really that straightforward to put those two
together.
 
> In the old memcg reclaim path, page table walks won't see this mm
> at all. But rmap walks will catch everything later in the eviction
> path, i.e., lru_gen_look_around(). This function is less efficient
> compared with page table walks because, for each rmap walk of a
> non-shared page, it only can gather the accessed bit from 64 PTEs at
> most. But it's still a lot faster than the original rmap, which only
> gathers the accessed bit from a single PTE, for each walk of a
> non-shared page.

Again, something that should be really documented.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-10 15:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-04 20:22 [PATCH v6 0/9] Multigenerational LRU Framework Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 1/9] mm: x86, arm64: add arch_has_hw_pte_young() Yu Zhao
2022-01-05 10:45   ` Will Deacon
2022-01-05 20:47     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-06 10:30       ` Will Deacon
2022-01-07  7:25         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-11 14:19           ` Will Deacon
2022-01-11 22:27             ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 2/9] mm: x86: add CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_NONLEAF_PMD_YOUNG Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 21:24   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 3/9] mm/vmscan.c: refactor shrink_node() Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 4/9] mm: multigenerational lru: groundwork Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 21:34   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-11  8:16   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-01-12  2:16     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 5/9] mm: multigenerational lru: mm_struct list Yu Zhao
2022-01-07  9:06   ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-08  0:19     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-10 15:21       ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2022-01-12  8:08         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 6/9] mm: multigenerational lru: aging Yu Zhao
2022-01-06 16:06   ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-06 21:27     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-07  8:43       ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-07 21:12         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-06 16:12   ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-06 21:41     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-07  8:55       ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-07  9:00         ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10  3:58           ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-10 14:37             ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-13  9:43               ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-13 12:02                 ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-19  6:31                   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-19  9:44                     ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10 15:01     ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10 16:01       ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-01-10 16:25         ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-11 23:16       ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-12 10:28         ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-13  9:25           ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-07 13:11   ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-07 23:36     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-10 15:35       ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-11  1:18         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-11  9:00           ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]         ` <1641900108.61dd684cb0e59@mail.inbox.lv>
2022-01-11 12:15           ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-11 14:22         ` Alexey Avramov
2022-01-07 14:44   ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10  4:47     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-10 10:54       ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-19  7:04         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-19  9:42           ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-23 21:28             ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-24 14:01               ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10 16:57   ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-12  1:01     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-12 10:17       ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-12 23:43         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-13 11:57           ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-23 21:40             ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 7/9] mm: multigenerational lru: eviction Yu Zhao
2022-01-11 10:37   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-01-12  8:05     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 8/9] mm: multigenerational lru: user interface Yu Zhao
2022-01-10 10:27   ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-12  8:35     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-12 10:31       ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-12 15:45       ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-13  9:47         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-13 10:31   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-01-13 23:02     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-14  5:20       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-01-14  6:50         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 9/9] mm: multigenerational lru: Kconfig Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 21:39   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Multigenerational LRU Framework Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:30 ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 21:43   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-05 21:12     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-07  9:38   ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-07 18:45     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-10 15:39       ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10 22:04         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-10 22:46           ` Jesse Barnes
2022-01-11  1:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-11 10:40             ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-11  8:41   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-11  8:53     ` Holger Hoffstätte
2022-01-11  9:26     ` Jan Alexander Steffens (heftig)
2022-01-11 16:04     ` Shuang Zhai
2022-01-12  1:46     ` Suleiman Souhlal
2022-01-12  6:07     ` Sofia Trinh
2022-01-12 16:17       ` Daniel Byrne
2022-01-18  9:21     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-18  9:36     ` Donald Carr
2022-01-19 20:19     ` Steven Barrett
2022-01-19 22:25     ` Brian Geffon
2022-01-05  2:44 ` Shuang Zhai
2022-01-05  8:55 ` SeongJae Park
2022-01-05 10:53   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-05 11:25     ` SeongJae Park
2022-01-05 21:06       ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-10 14:49 ` Alexey Avramov
2022-01-11 10:24 ` Alexey Avramov
2022-01-12 20:56 ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2022-01-13  8:59   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-23  5:43 ` Barry Song
2022-01-25  6:48   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-28  8:54     ` Barry Song
2022-02-08  9:16       ` Yu Zhao

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