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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
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Subject: Re: [patch V2 08/15] Documentation: Add lock ordering and nesting documentation
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 19:29:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200321022930.GU3199@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874kuipsbw.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 11:36:03PM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org> writes:
> > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 08:51:44PM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> >> "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org> writes:
> >> >
> >> >  - The soft interrupt related suffix (_bh()) still disables softirq
> >> >    handlers.  However, unlike non-PREEMPT_RT kernels (which disable
> >> >    preemption to get this effect), PREEMPT_RT kernels use a per-CPU
> >> >    lock to exclude softirq handlers.
> >> 
> >> I've made that:
> >> 
> >>   - The soft interrupt related suffix (_bh()) still disables softirq
> >>     handlers.
> >> 
> >>     Non-PREEMPT_RT kernels disable preemption to get this effect.
> >> 
> >>     PREEMPT_RT kernels use a per-CPU lock for serialization. The lock
> >>     disables softirq handlers and prevents reentrancy by a preempting
> >>     task.
> >
> > That works!  At the end, I would instead say "prevents reentrancy
> > due to task preemption", but what you have works.
> 
> Yours is better.
> 
> >>    - Task state is preserved across spinlock acquisition, ensuring that the
> >>      task-state rules apply to all kernel configurations.  Non-PREEMPT_RT
> >>      kernels leave task state untouched.  However, PREEMPT_RT must change
> >>      task state if the task blocks during acquisition.  Therefore, it
> >>      saves the current task state before blocking and the corresponding
> >>      lock wakeup restores it. A regular not lock related wakeup sets the
> >>      task state to RUNNING. If this happens while the task is blocked on
> >>      a spinlock then the saved task state is changed so that correct
> >>      state is restored on lock wakeup.
> >> 
> >> Hmm?
> >
> > I of course cannot resist editing the last two sentences:
> >
> >    ... Other types of wakeups unconditionally set task state to RUNNING.
> >    If this happens while a task is blocked while acquiring a spinlock,
> >    then the task state is restored to its pre-acquisition value at
> >    lock-wakeup time.
> 
> Errm no. That would mean
> 
>      state = UNINTERRUPTIBLE
>      lock()
>        block()
>          real_state = state
>          state = SLEEPONLOCK
> 
>                                non lock wakeup
>                                  state = RUNNING    <--- FAIL #1
> 
>                                lock wakeup
>                                  state = real_state <--- FAIL #2
> 
> How it works is:
> 
>      state = UNINTERRUPTIBLE
>      lock()
>        block()
>          real_state = state
>          state = SLEEPONLOCK
> 
>                                non lock wakeup
>                                  real_state = RUNNING
> 
>                                lock wakeup
>                                  state = real_state == RUNNING
> 
> If there is no 'non lock wakeup' before the lock wakeup:
> 
>      state = UNINTERRUPTIBLE
>      lock()
>        block()
>          real_state = state
>          state = SLEEPONLOCK
> 
>                                lock wakeup
>                                  state = real_state == UNINTERRUPTIBLE
> 
> I agree that what I tried to express is hard to parse, but it's at least
> halfways correct :)

Apologies!  That is what I get for not looking it up in the source.  :-/

OK, so I am stupid enough not only to get it wrong, but also to try again:

   ... Other types of wakeups would normally unconditionally set the
   task state to RUNNING, but that does not work here because the task
   must remain blocked until the lock becomes available.  Therefore,
   when a non-lock wakeup attempts to awaken a task blocked waiting
   for a spinlock, it instead sets the saved state to RUNNING.  Then,
   when the lock acquisition completes, the lock wakeup sets the task
   state to the saved state, in this case setting it to RUNNING.

Is that better?

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-21  2:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-18 20:43 [patch V2 00/15] Lock ordering documentation and annotation for lockdep Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-18 20:43 ` [patch V2 01/15] PCI/switchtec: Fix init_completion race condition with poll_wait() Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-18 21:25   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2020-03-18 20:43 ` [patch V2 02/15] pci/switchtec: Replace completion wait queue usage for poll Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-18 21:26   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2020-03-18 22:11   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2020-03-18 20:43 ` [patch V2 03/15] usb: gadget: Use completion interface instead of open coding it Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-19  8:41   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-18 20:43 ` [patch V2 04/15] orinoco_usb: Use the regular completion interfaces Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-19  8:40   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-18 20:43 ` [patch V2 05/15] acpi: Remove header dependency Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-18 20:43 ` [patch V2 06/15] rcuwait: Add @state argument to rcuwait_wait_event() Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-20  5:36   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2020-03-20  8:45     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-20  8:58       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2020-03-20  9:48   ` [PATCH 0/5] Remove mm.h from arch/*/include/asm/uaccess.h Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-20  9:48     ` [PATCH 1/5] nds32: Remove mm.h from asm/uaccess.h Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-20  9:48     ` [PATCH 2/5] csky: " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-21 11:24       ` Guo Ren
2020-03-21 12:08         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-21 14:11           ` Guo Ren
2020-03-20  9:48     ` [PATCH 3/5] hexagon: " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-20  9:48     ` [PATCH 4/5] ia64: " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-20  9:48     ` [PATCH 5/5] microblaze: " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-18 20:43 ` [patch V2 07/15] powerpc/ps3: Convert half completion to rcuwait Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-19  9:00   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-19  9:18     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-19  9:21   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2020-03-19 10:04   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-03-19 10:26     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-20  0:01       ` Geoff Levand
2020-03-20  0:45       ` Michael Ellerman
2020-03-21 10:41     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-18 20:43 ` [patch V2 08/15] Documentation: Add lock ordering and nesting documentation Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-18 22:31   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-19 18:02     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-20 16:01       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-20 19:51         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-20 21:02           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-20 22:36             ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-21  2:29               ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2020-03-21 10:26                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-21 17:23                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-19  8:51   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2020-03-19 15:04   ` Jonathan Corbet
2020-03-19 18:04     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-21 21:21   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-03-21 21:49     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-22  1:36       ` Joel Fernandes
2020-03-18 20:43 ` [patch V2 09/15] timekeeping: Split jiffies seqlock Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-18 20:43 ` [patch V2 10/15] sched/swait: Prepare usage in completions Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-18 20:43 ` [patch V2 11/15] completion: Use simple wait queues Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-18 22:28   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2020-03-19  0:33   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-03-19  0:44     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-19  8:42   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-19 17:12   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-03-19 23:25   ` Julian Calaby
2020-03-20  6:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-03-20  9:01   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2020-03-20  8:50 ` [patch V2 00/15] Lock ordering documentation and annotation for lockdep Davidlohr Bueso
2020-03-20  8:55 ` [PATCH 16/15] rcuwait: Get rid of stale name comment Davidlohr Bueso
2020-03-20  8:55   ` [PATCH 17/15] rcuwait: Inform rcuwait_wake_up() users if a wakeup was attempted Davidlohr Bueso
2020-03-20  9:13     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-20 10:44     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-20  8:55   ` [PATCH 18/15] kvm: Replace vcpu->swait with rcuwait Davidlohr Bueso
2020-03-20 11:20     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-03-20 12:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-22 16:33       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2020-03-22 22:32         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-20  8:55   ` [PATCH 19/15] sched/swait: Reword some of the main description Davidlohr Bueso
2020-03-20  9:19     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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