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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Sergei Miroshnichenko' <s.miroshnichenko@yadro.com>,
	"lukas@wunner.de" <lukas@wunner.de>,
	"helgaas@kernel.org" <helgaas@kernel.org>
Cc: "christian@kellner.me" <christian@kellner.me>,
	"christian.koenig@amd.com" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"YehezkelShB@gmail.com" <YehezkelShB@gmail.com>,
	"rajatja@google.com" <rajatja@google.com>,
	"andy.lavr@gmail.com" <andy.lavr@gmail.com>,
	"linux@yadro.com" <linux@yadro.com>,
	"linux-pci@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	"sr@denx.de" <sr@denx.de>,
	"mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com"
	<mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
	"mario.limonciello@dell.com" <mario.limonciello@dell.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v9 00/26] PCI: Allow BAR movement during boot and hotplug
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 09:34:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <af516d35e51e477aa16af3e254e7cac3@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6844b9c79e784c17ff007cab187abb85e5d91608.camel@yadro.com>

> Actually, we are hotplugging not only endpoints, but nested PCIe
> switches as well: those are PCIe JBOD chassis (with NVMes and SAS
> drives).

From what I remember of playing with some PCI hot-plug hardware
and cardbus extenders to PCI chassis many years ago bus numbers
were actually a big problem.

A surprising number of io cards contain a bridge - so need a
bus number if hot-plugged.

(In spite of the marketing hype hot-plug basically let you remove
a working card and replace it with an identical one!
Modern drivers and OS are likely to handle the errors from
faulty cards better.)

The initial allocation of bus-numbers could easily spread out
the unused bus numbers.
Doing that for memory resources may have other problems
(You probably don't want to allocate the entire range to the
root hub?)

Are the bus numbers exposed as keys/filename in /sys ?
In which case changing them after boot is problematic.
You'd need a map of virtual bus numbers to physical ones.

As well as your 'suspend/resume' sequence, it should
be possible to send a card-remove/insert sequence to
an idle driver.

There is another case were BARs might need moving.
The PCIe spec doesn't allow very long (200ms?) from
reset removal (which might be close to power on) and
the requirement for endpoints to answer config cycles.
If you have to load a large FPGA from a serial EEPROM
this is actually a real problem.
So if the OS does a full probe of the PCI devices it may
find endpoints (or even bridges) that weren't actually there
when the BIOS (or equivalent) did its earlier probe.
Finding space in the middle of the pci devices for an endpoint
that wants two 1MB BARs is unlikely to suceed!

	David

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-04  9:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-18 17:39 [PATCH v9 00/26] PCI: Allow BAR movement during boot and hotplug Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:39 ` [PATCH v9 01/26] PCI: Fix race condition in pci_enable/disable_device() Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-28 15:37   ` Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:39 ` [PATCH v9 02/26] PCI: Ensure a bridge has I/O and MEM access for hot-added devices Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:39 ` [PATCH v9 03/26] PCI: hotplug: Initial support of the movable BARs feature Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:39 ` [PATCH v9 04/26] PCI: Add version of release_child_resources() aware of fixed BARs Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:39 ` [PATCH v9 05/26] PCI: hotplug: Fix reassigning the released BARs Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:39 ` [PATCH v9 06/26] PCI: hotplug: Recalculate every bridge window during rescan Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:39 ` [PATCH v9 07/26] PCI: hotplug: Don't allow hot-added devices to steal resources Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:39 ` [PATCH v9 08/26] PCI: Reassign BARs if BIOS/bootloader had assigned not all of them Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:39 ` [PATCH v9 09/26] PCI: Movable BARs: Make just a single attempt to assign bridge resources Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:39 ` [PATCH v9 10/26] PCI: hotplug: Calculate fixed parts of bridge windows Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:39 ` [PATCH v9 11/26] PCI: Include fixed BARs into the bus size calculating Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:39 ` [PATCH v9 12/26] PCI: Make sure bridge windows include their fixed BARs Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:39 ` [PATCH v9 13/26] PCI: hotplug: Add support of fixed BARs to pci_assign_resource() Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:39 ` [PATCH v9 14/26] PCI: hotplug: Sort fixed BARs before assignment Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:40 ` [PATCH v9 15/26] x86/PCI/ACPI: Fix up PCIBIOS_MIN_MEM if value computed from e820 is invalid Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:40 ` [PATCH v9 16/26] PCI: hotplug: Configure MPS after manual bus rescan Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:40 ` [PATCH v9 17/26] PCI: hotplug: Don't disable the released bridge windows immediately Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:40 ` [PATCH v9 18/26] PCI: pciehp: Trigger a domain rescan on hp events when enabled movable BARs Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:40 ` [PATCH v9 19/26] PCI: Don't claim fixed BARs Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:40 ` [PATCH v9 20/26] PCI: hotplug: Retry bus assignment without reserved space Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:40 ` [PATCH v9 21/26] PCI: Rescan the bus to resize a BAR Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:40 ` [PATCH v9 22/26] PCI: hotplug: Enable the movable BARs feature by default Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:40 ` [PATCH v9 23/26] PCI/portdrv: Declare support of movable BARs Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:40 ` [PATCH v9 24/26] nvme-pci: Handle " Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:40 ` [PATCH v9 25/26] PCI: Add a message for updating BARs Sergei Miroshnichenko
2020-12-18 17:40 ` [PATCH v9 26/26] resource: increase max nesting level for /proc/iomem Sergei Miroshnichenko
2021-01-28 14:53 ` [PATCH v9 00/26] PCI: Allow BAR movement during boot and hotplug Bjorn Helgaas
2021-01-28 20:39   ` Lukas Wunner
2021-02-01 12:55     ` Mika Westerberg
2021-02-03 20:17       ` Sergei Miroshnichenko
2021-02-04 10:49         ` mika.westerberg
2021-02-10 19:40           ` Sergei Miroshnichenko
2021-02-10 21:46             ` Lukas Wunner
2021-02-11 11:39             ` mika.westerberg
2021-02-11 17:45               ` Sergei Miroshnichenko
2021-02-12 12:52                 ` mika.westerberg
2021-02-12 20:54                   ` Sergei Miroshnichenko
2021-02-15 14:56                     ` mika.westerberg
2021-02-03 20:01     ` Sergei Miroshnichenko
2021-02-04  9:34       ` David Laight [this message]
2021-02-03 19:59   ` Sergei Miroshnichenko
2021-02-04  8:26     ` Hinko Kocevar

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