* Question about supporting RDMA Extensions for PMEM @ 2020-10-12 8:13 Li, Hao 2020-10-13 2:26 ` Tom Talpey 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Li, Hao @ 2020-10-12 8:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-rdma Hi, I have noticed that IETF has released a draft of RDMA Extensions for PMEM [1]. Does libibverbs has a plan to implement these extensions? Are there some good starting points if we want to participate the development. Thanks! [1]: https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-talpey-rdma-commit-01.html Regards, Hao Li ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about supporting RDMA Extensions for PMEM 2020-10-12 8:13 Question about supporting RDMA Extensions for PMEM Li, Hao @ 2020-10-13 2:26 ` Tom Talpey 2020-10-16 22:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Tom Talpey @ 2020-10-13 2:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Li, Hao, linux-rdma On 10/12/2020 4:13 AM, Li, Hao wrote: > Hi, > > I have noticed that IETF has released a draft of RDMA Extensions for > PMEM [1]. Does libibverbs has a plan to implement these extensions? Are > there some good starting points if we want to participate the development. > Thanks! > > [1]: https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-talpey-rdma-commit-01.html The draft you refer to is an individual draft, not an official IETF release. However, after a lengthy process, the effort is now an official work item of the NFSv4 working group, since the original STORM WG was shut down an alternative process had to be determined. An updated document is in the works, hopefully in October, and may become a full RFC as the IETF process advances. My coauthors and I look forward to this. In the meantime, the IBTA LWG took up a similar task, and we completed it several months ago. I am not sure when it might be released as an official Annex, but I assume that is in the works as well. The IBTA version of the extensions is semantically similar, but does not include the "Verify" operation which in the iWARP document. Perhaps this will be added later. In theory, the IBTA SWG is in control of specifying any Verbs changes. The Annex does discuss these, but SWG would still need to ratify. If Fujitsu is an IBTA member, I'd encourage you to support this. IETF, of course, has no dependency on IBTA, or Verbs, so participating there is a separate matter. I encourage that participation, too! Tom. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about supporting RDMA Extensions for PMEM 2020-10-13 2:26 ` Tom Talpey @ 2020-10-16 22:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2020-10-17 0:22 ` Tom Talpey 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Jason Gunthorpe @ 2020-10-16 22:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Tom Talpey; +Cc: Li, Hao, linux-rdma On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 10:26:32PM -0400, Tom Talpey wrote: > In theory, the IBTA SWG is in control of specifying any Verbs changes. SWG and IETF should agree on what the general software presentation should look like so HW implementations can be compatible. It looks fairly straightforward so this probably isn't strictly necessary once the one the wire protocol is decided. verbs has a life of its own these days outside IBTA/IETF.. Jason ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about supporting RDMA Extensions for PMEM 2020-10-16 22:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe @ 2020-10-17 0:22 ` Tom Talpey 0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Tom Talpey @ 2020-10-17 0:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jason Gunthorpe; +Cc: Li, Hao, linux-rdma On 10/16/2020 6:37 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 10:26:32PM -0400, Tom Talpey wrote: > >> In theory, the IBTA SWG is in control of specifying any Verbs changes. > > SWG and IETF should agree on what the general software presentation > should look like so HW implementations can be compatible. > > It looks fairly straightforward so this probably isn't strictly > necessary once the one the wire protocol is decided. > > verbs has a life of its own these days outside IBTA/IETF.. For the record, I completely agree with the goal of compatible interfaces. And, I'm committed to defining it, however I am not able to participate in IBTA as I am no longer associated with any IBTA member company. I am active in IETF, which has no such restriction. However, it's also important to point out that IETF considers programming interfaces to be out of scope. The draft-hilland-verbs document for iWARP was not adopted as a work item, and its content, while extraordinary useful, is not an IETF product. As an example, consider TCP and Sockets. IETF owns the former, and has no input on the latter. In other words, I think it's on us. Tom. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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