From: Atish Patra <atish.patra@wdc.com>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>, Nick Kossifidis <mick@ics.forth.gr>
Cc: "mark.rutland@arm.com" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Damien Le Moal <Damien.LeMoal@wdc.com>,
Olof Johansson <olof.johansson@gmail.com>,
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Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
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Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
Anup Patel <anup@brainfault.org>,
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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@lkcl.net>,
"linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org"
<linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
Andrew Waterman <andrew@sifive.com>
Subject: Re: [sw-dev] SBI extension proposal v2
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 11:47:01 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1242b0af-fb94-a199-39b9-c3f654834da9@wdc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0aa02993-4f71-2171-7bec-54fe40b13279@suse.de>
On 1/28/19 11:43 AM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>
>
> On 28.01.19 17:47, Nick Kossifidis wrote:
>> Στις 2019-01-28 18:38, Alexander Graf έγραψε:
>>> On 28.01.19 17:33, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
>>>> ---
>>>> crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:44 PM Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> If Risc-V wants to avoid fragmentation, it should simply keep a firmer
>>>>>> reign in what is allowed in an implementation and keep a lid on such
>>>>>> horrid ideas as vendor specific userspace ISA extensions.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tend to agree here. I think a global identification scheme is
>>>>> reasonable. But can't we just live with a single global spec that
>>>>> people
>>>>> contribute to?
>>>>
>>>> unfortunately, alexander, the RISC-V Foundation has chosen to exclude
>>>> people from the discussion, by choosing an ITU-style ("Cartelled")
>>>> secretive standards development process.
>>>>
>>>> so as an "outsider" who for whatever reason cannot join that closed,
>>>> secretive process (for example a strategically-critical u-boot or
>>>> linux kernel developer with decades of relevant experience but who is
>>>> under contract) even if you wanted to contribute to a single global
>>>> spec, you can't.
>>>>
>>>> the reasons why the ITU-style Cartel was set up have been discussed
>>>> and made clear (patents); the justifications were knocked down; there
>>>> was no response.
>>>
>>> I can see why you want to have a process like that in place for the ISA
>>> itself, but the SBI spec really should not have anything "innovative" or
>>> patentable. At the end of the day, it's a communication mechanism.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex
>>
>> FYI
>> https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/riscvsbi/
>
> That one is overlapping with on I will be co-presenting on:
>
> https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/uefi_boot_for_mere_mortals/
>
Great. Your talk is on Sunday. SBI talk is on Saturday.
Looking forward to attend this one as well.
> But I'm sure we can discuss things regardless one way or another :).
>
Definitely.
Regards,
Atish
>
> Alex
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-01-28 19:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-11-10 2:42 SBI extension proposal v2 Atish Patra
2018-11-10 2:42 ` Atish Patra
2018-11-10 5:12 ` [sw-dev] " Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 5:12 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 14:50 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 14:50 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 15:48 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 15:48 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 16:46 ` ron minnich
2018-11-10 16:46 ` ron minnich
2018-11-10 17:40 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:40 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:41 ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:41 ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:42 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:42 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:51 ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:51 ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:55 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:55 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 18:03 ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 18:03 ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:43 ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:43 ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:41 ` Olof Johansson
2018-11-10 17:41 ` Olof Johansson
2018-11-10 17:47 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:47 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:59 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 17:59 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 18:01 ` ron minnich
2018-11-10 18:01 ` ron minnich
2018-11-10 19:33 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 19:33 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 19:39 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 19:39 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-11 3:15 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-11 3:15 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-11 7:14 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-11 7:14 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-11 13:17 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-11 13:17 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-12 2:08 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-12 2:08 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-10 18:02 ` Olof Johansson
2018-11-10 18:02 ` Olof Johansson
2018-11-10 19:34 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 19:34 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-13 1:22 ` Michael Clark
2018-11-13 1:22 ` Michael Clark
2018-11-10 17:54 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 17:54 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 17:59 ` ron minnich
2018-11-10 17:59 ` ron minnich
2018-11-11 3:58 ` Atish Patra
2018-11-11 3:58 ` Atish Patra
2018-12-02 6:18 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2019-01-28 12:31 ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-28 16:33 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2019-01-28 16:38 ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-28 16:47 ` Nick Kossifidis
2019-01-28 19:43 ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-28 19:47 ` Atish Patra [this message]
2019-01-28 19:48 ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-28 19:40 ` ron minnich
2019-01-28 19:55 ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-28 20:18 ` ron minnich
2019-01-28 20:37 ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-28 22:23 ` ron minnich
2019-01-29 8:53 ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-29 15:52 ` ron minnich
2019-01-28 23:46 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2019-01-28 23:22 ` Bruce Hoult
2019-01-29 0:03 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2019-01-29 4:28 ` ron minnich
[not found] ` <CANs6eMk4z-ZibLW_5o03onu8AQe23uMa2hSieceHFqKS7igLDQ@mail.gmail.com>
2019-01-30 0:05 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2019-01-30 0:17 ` ron minnich
2019-01-30 0:49 ` Bruce Hoult
2019-01-30 3:15 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
[not found] ` <09bede45-6ecf-4ded-8615-0be38aac33fc@groups.riscv.org>
2019-01-29 3:58 ` Samuel Falvo II
2019-01-29 4:33 ` ron minnich
2019-02-05 22:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2019-02-05 23:02 ` Luís Marques
2019-02-06 7:03 ` ron minnich
2019-02-06 7:54 ` Damien Le Moal
2019-02-07 3:56 ` Paul Walmsley
2019-02-07 7:17 ` Anup Patel
2019-02-07 7:19 ` Anup Patel
2019-01-29 22:41 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-10 17:43 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 17:43 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 17:51 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:51 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 5:36 ` David Abdurachmanov
2018-11-10 5:36 ` David Abdurachmanov
[not found] ` <CA++6G0BTdybjhqaXm9EhAz0HsgpwfozK6OEL7DuzbS48RbEChA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-11-10 15:09 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 15:09 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-12 4:33 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-12 4:33 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-12-04 23:22 ` [sw-dev] " Atish Patra
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