From: sam.falvo@gmail.com (Samuel Falvo II)
To: linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [sw-dev] SBI extension proposal v2
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 10:03:19 -0800 [thread overview]
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On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 9:55 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
<lkcl@lkcl.net> wrote:
> *snort* yeah. is that a good enough reason to terminate all and any
> discussion of enhancing a general-purpose generic API that has several
> other beneficial use-cases? reminds me of the adage "guns don't kill
> people: people kill people".
I think you are misunderstanding what I'm writing.
My tale is one of caution, not prevention. I'm OK with having a BIOS.
History shows that the problems on the PC platform all started when
the BIOS *disappeared*; when it *stopped* *being* a BIOS.
My claim is that Ron's reaction is, while well-intentioned and has
solid roots in first-hand experience, nonetheless a bit extreme. Not
having any BIOS at all is, in my estimation, worse than having one
that is 50 years old.
--
Samuel A. Falvo II
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From: Samuel Falvo II <sam.falvo@gmail.com>
To: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@lkcl.net>
Cc: mark.rutland@arm.com, hch@infradead.org, Damien.LeMoal@wdc.com,
olof.johansson@gmail.com, alankao@andestech.com, "Chang,
Abner" <abner.chang@hpe.com>,
atish.patra@wdc.com, Anup Patel <anup@brainfault.org>,
Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@sifive.com>,
agraf@suse.de, zong@andestech.com,
ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com>,
sw-dev@groups.riscv.org, paul.walmsley@sifive.com,
mick@ics.forth.gr, Alistair.Francis@wdc.com,
linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
Andrew Waterman <andrew@sifive.com>
Subject: Re: [sw-dev] SBI extension proposal v2
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 10:03:19 -0800 [thread overview]
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On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 9:55 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
<lkcl@lkcl.net> wrote:
> *snort* yeah. is that a good enough reason to terminate all and any
> discussion of enhancing a general-purpose generic API that has several
> other beneficial use-cases? reminds me of the adage "guns don't kill
> people: people kill people".
I think you are misunderstanding what I'm writing.
My tale is one of caution, not prevention. I'm OK with having a BIOS.
History shows that the problems on the PC platform all started when
the BIOS *disappeared*; when it *stopped* *being* a BIOS.
My claim is that Ron's reaction is, while well-intentioned and has
solid roots in first-hand experience, nonetheless a bit extreme. Not
having any BIOS at all is, in my estimation, worse than having one
that is 50 years old.
--
Samuel A. Falvo II
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Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-11-10 2:42 SBI extension proposal v2 Atish Patra
2018-11-10 2:42 ` Atish Patra
2018-11-10 5:12 ` [sw-dev] " Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 5:12 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 14:50 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 14:50 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 15:48 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 15:48 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 16:46 ` ron minnich
2018-11-10 16:46 ` ron minnich
2018-11-10 17:40 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:40 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:41 ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:41 ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:42 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:42 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:51 ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:51 ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:55 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:55 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 18:03 ` Samuel Falvo II [this message]
2018-11-10 18:03 ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:43 ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:43 ` Samuel Falvo II
2018-11-10 17:41 ` Olof Johansson
2018-11-10 17:41 ` Olof Johansson
2018-11-10 17:47 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:47 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:59 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 17:59 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 18:01 ` ron minnich
2018-11-10 18:01 ` ron minnich
2018-11-10 19:33 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 19:33 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 19:39 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 19:39 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-11 3:15 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-11 3:15 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-11 7:14 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-11 7:14 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-11 13:17 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-11 13:17 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-12 2:08 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-12 2:08 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-10 18:02 ` Olof Johansson
2018-11-10 18:02 ` Olof Johansson
2018-11-10 19:34 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 19:34 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-13 1:22 ` Michael Clark
2018-11-13 1:22 ` Michael Clark
2018-11-10 17:54 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 17:54 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 17:59 ` ron minnich
2018-11-10 17:59 ` ron minnich
2018-11-11 3:58 ` Atish Patra
2018-11-11 3:58 ` Atish Patra
2018-12-02 6:18 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2019-01-28 12:31 ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-28 16:33 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2019-01-28 16:38 ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-28 16:47 ` Nick Kossifidis
2019-01-28 19:43 ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-28 19:47 ` Atish Patra
2019-01-28 19:48 ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-28 19:40 ` ron minnich
2019-01-28 19:55 ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-28 20:18 ` ron minnich
2019-01-28 20:37 ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-28 22:23 ` ron minnich
2019-01-29 8:53 ` Alexander Graf
2019-01-29 15:52 ` ron minnich
2019-01-28 23:46 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2019-01-28 23:22 ` Bruce Hoult
2019-01-29 0:03 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2019-01-29 4:28 ` ron minnich
[not found] ` <CANs6eMk4z-ZibLW_5o03onu8AQe23uMa2hSieceHFqKS7igLDQ@mail.gmail.com>
2019-01-30 0:05 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2019-01-30 0:17 ` ron minnich
2019-01-30 0:49 ` Bruce Hoult
2019-01-30 3:15 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
[not found] ` <09bede45-6ecf-4ded-8615-0be38aac33fc@groups.riscv.org>
2019-01-29 3:58 ` Samuel Falvo II
2019-01-29 4:33 ` ron minnich
2019-02-05 22:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2019-02-05 23:02 ` Luís Marques
2019-02-06 7:03 ` ron minnich
2019-02-06 7:54 ` Damien Le Moal
2019-02-07 3:56 ` Paul Walmsley
2019-02-07 7:17 ` Anup Patel
2019-02-07 7:19 ` Anup Patel
2019-01-29 22:41 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-10 17:43 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 17:43 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 17:51 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 17:51 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-11-10 5:36 ` David Abdurachmanov
2018-11-10 5:36 ` David Abdurachmanov
[not found] ` <CA++6G0BTdybjhqaXm9EhAz0HsgpwfozK6OEL7DuzbS48RbEChA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-11-10 15:09 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-10 15:09 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-12 4:33 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-12 4:33 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-12-04 23:22 ` [sw-dev] " Atish Patra
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