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* Re: [PATCH] selinux: reorder hooks to make runtime disable less broken
       [not found] ` <23671223-f841-564c-6ae8-0401bce0fa20@tycho.nsa.gov>
@ 2019-12-09 13:58   ` Stephen Smalley
  2019-12-09 17:20     ` Casey Schaufler
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Stephen Smalley @ 2019-12-09 13:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ondrej Mosnacek, selinux, Paul Moore, LSM

On 12/9/19 8:21 AM, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> On 12/9/19 2:57 AM, Ondrej Mosnacek wrote:
>> Commit b1d9e6b0646d ("LSM: Switch to lists of hooks") switched the LSM
>> infrastructure to use per-hook lists, which meant that removing the
>> hooks for a given module was no longer atomic. Even though the commit
>> clearly documents that modules implementing runtime revmoval of hooks
>> (only SELinux attempts this madness) need to take special precautions to
>> avoid race conditions, SELinux has never addressed this.
>>
>> By inserting an artificial delay between the loop iterations of
>> security_delete_hooks() (I used 100 ms), booting to a state where
>> SELinux is enabled, but policy is not yet loaded, and running these
>> commands:
>>
>>      while true; do ping -c 1 <some IP>; done &
>>      echo -n 1 >/sys/fs/selinux/disable
>>      kill %1
>>      wait
>>
>> ...I was able to trigger NULL pointer dereferences in various places. I
>> also have a report of someone getting panics on a stock RHEL-8 kernel
>> after setting SELINUX=disabled in /etc/selinux/config and rebooting
>> (without adding "selinux=0" to kernel command-line).
>>
>> Reordering the SELinux hooks such that those that allocate structures
>> are removed last seems to prevent these panics. It is very much possible
>> that this doesn't make the runtime disable completely race-free, but at
>> least it makes the operation much less fragile.
>>
>> An alternative (and safer) solution would be to add NULL checks to each
>> hook, but doing this just to support the runtime disable hack doesn't
>> seem to be worth the effort...
> 
> Personally, I would prefer to just get rid of runtime disable 
> altogether; it also precludes making the hooks read-only after 
> initialization.  IMHO, selinux=0 is the proper way to disable SELinux if 
> necessary.  I believe there is an open bugzilla on Fedora related to 
> this issue, since runtime disable was originally introduced for Fedora.

Also, if we have to retain this support, it seems like this ought to be 
fixed in the LSM framework especially since it was a change there that 
broke the SELinux implementation.

> 
>>
>> Fixes: b1d9e6b0646d ("LSM: Switch to lists of hooks")
>> Signed-off-by: Ondrej Mosnacek <omosnace@redhat.com>
>> ---
>>   security/selinux/hooks.c | 97 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------------
>>   1 file changed, 66 insertions(+), 31 deletions(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/security/selinux/hooks.c b/security/selinux/hooks.c
>> index 116b4d644f68..5075be8eea2a 100644
>> --- a/security/selinux/hooks.c
>> +++ b/security/selinux/hooks.c
>> @@ -6864,6 +6864,21 @@ static int selinux_perf_event_write(struct 
>> perf_event *event)
>>   }
>>   #endif
>> +/*
>> + * IMPORTANT NOTE: When adding new hooks, please be careful to keep 
>> this order:
>> + * 1. any hooks that don't belong to (2.) or (3.) below,
>> + * 2. hooks that both access structures allocated by other hooks, and 
>> allocate
>> + *    structures that can be later accessed by other hooks (mostly 
>> "cloning"
>> + *    hooks),
>> + * 3. hooks that only allocate structures that can be later accessed 
>> by other
>> + *    hooks ("allocating" hooks).
>> + *
>> + * Please follow block comment delimiters in the list to keep this 
>> order.
>> + *
>> + * This ordering is needed for SELinux runtime disable to work at 
>> least somewhat
>> + * safely. Breaking the ordering rules above might lead to NULL 
>> pointer derefs
>> + * when disabling SELinux at runtime.
>> + */
>>   static struct security_hook_list selinux_hooks[] __lsm_ro_after_init 
>> = {
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(binder_set_context_mgr, 
>> selinux_binder_set_context_mgr),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(binder_transaction, selinux_binder_transaction),
>> @@ -6886,12 +6901,7 @@ static struct security_hook_list 
>> selinux_hooks[] __lsm_ro_after_init = {
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(bprm_committing_creds, 
>> selinux_bprm_committing_creds),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(bprm_committed_creds, selinux_bprm_committed_creds),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(fs_context_dup, selinux_fs_context_dup),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(fs_context_parse_param, 
>> selinux_fs_context_parse_param),
>> -
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(sb_alloc_security, selinux_sb_alloc_security),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(sb_free_security, selinux_sb_free_security),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(sb_eat_lsm_opts, selinux_sb_eat_lsm_opts),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(sb_free_mnt_opts, selinux_free_mnt_opts),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(sb_remount, selinux_sb_remount),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(sb_kern_mount, selinux_sb_kern_mount),
>> @@ -6901,12 +6911,10 @@ static struct security_hook_list 
>> selinux_hooks[] __lsm_ro_after_init = {
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(sb_umount, selinux_umount),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(sb_set_mnt_opts, selinux_set_mnt_opts),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(sb_clone_mnt_opts, selinux_sb_clone_mnt_opts),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(sb_add_mnt_opt, selinux_add_mnt_opt),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(dentry_init_security, selinux_dentry_init_security),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(dentry_create_files_as, 
>> selinux_dentry_create_files_as),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(inode_alloc_security, selinux_inode_alloc_security),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(inode_free_security, selinux_inode_free_security),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(inode_init_security, selinux_inode_init_security),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(inode_create, selinux_inode_create),
>> @@ -6978,21 +6986,15 @@ static struct security_hook_list 
>> selinux_hooks[] __lsm_ro_after_init = {
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(ipc_permission, selinux_ipc_permission),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(ipc_getsecid, selinux_ipc_getsecid),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(msg_msg_alloc_security, 
>> selinux_msg_msg_alloc_security),
>> -
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(msg_queue_alloc_security,
>> -            selinux_msg_queue_alloc_security),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(msg_queue_associate, selinux_msg_queue_associate),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(msg_queue_msgctl, selinux_msg_queue_msgctl),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(msg_queue_msgsnd, selinux_msg_queue_msgsnd),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(msg_queue_msgrcv, selinux_msg_queue_msgrcv),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(shm_alloc_security, selinux_shm_alloc_security),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(shm_associate, selinux_shm_associate),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(shm_shmctl, selinux_shm_shmctl),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(shm_shmat, selinux_shm_shmat),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(sem_alloc_security, selinux_sem_alloc_security),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(sem_associate, selinux_sem_associate),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(sem_semctl, selinux_sem_semctl),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(sem_semop, selinux_sem_semop),
>> @@ -7003,13 +7005,11 @@ static struct security_hook_list 
>> selinux_hooks[] __lsm_ro_after_init = {
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(setprocattr, selinux_setprocattr),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(ismaclabel, selinux_ismaclabel),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(secid_to_secctx, selinux_secid_to_secctx),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(secctx_to_secid, selinux_secctx_to_secid),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(release_secctx, selinux_release_secctx),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(inode_invalidate_secctx, 
>> selinux_inode_invalidate_secctx),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(inode_notifysecctx, selinux_inode_notifysecctx),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(inode_setsecctx, selinux_inode_setsecctx),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(inode_getsecctx, selinux_inode_getsecctx),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(unix_stream_connect, 
>> selinux_socket_unix_stream_connect),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(unix_may_send, selinux_socket_unix_may_send),
>> @@ -7032,7 +7032,6 @@ static struct security_hook_list selinux_hooks[] 
>> __lsm_ro_after_init = {
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(socket_getpeersec_stream,
>>               selinux_socket_getpeersec_stream),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(socket_getpeersec_dgram, 
>> selinux_socket_getpeersec_dgram),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(sk_alloc_security, selinux_sk_alloc_security),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(sk_free_security, selinux_sk_free_security),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(sk_clone_security, selinux_sk_clone_security),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(sk_getsecid, selinux_sk_getsecid),
>> @@ -7047,7 +7046,6 @@ static struct security_hook_list selinux_hooks[] 
>> __lsm_ro_after_init = {
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(secmark_refcount_inc, selinux_secmark_refcount_inc),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(secmark_refcount_dec, selinux_secmark_refcount_dec),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(req_classify_flow, selinux_req_classify_flow),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(tun_dev_alloc_security, 
>> selinux_tun_dev_alloc_security),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(tun_dev_free_security, 
>> selinux_tun_dev_free_security),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(tun_dev_create, selinux_tun_dev_create),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(tun_dev_attach_queue, selinux_tun_dev_attach_queue),
>> @@ -7057,17 +7055,11 @@ static struct security_hook_list 
>> selinux_hooks[] __lsm_ro_after_init = {
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(ib_pkey_access, selinux_ib_pkey_access),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(ib_endport_manage_subnet,
>>                 selinux_ib_endport_manage_subnet),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(ib_alloc_security, selinux_ib_alloc_security),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(ib_free_security, selinux_ib_free_security),
>>   #endif
>>   #ifdef CONFIG_SECURITY_NETWORK_XFRM
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(xfrm_policy_alloc_security, 
>> selinux_xfrm_policy_alloc),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(xfrm_policy_clone_security, 
>> selinux_xfrm_policy_clone),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(xfrm_policy_free_security, selinux_xfrm_policy_free),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(xfrm_policy_delete_security, 
>> selinux_xfrm_policy_delete),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(xfrm_state_alloc, selinux_xfrm_state_alloc),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(xfrm_state_alloc_acquire,
>> -            selinux_xfrm_state_alloc_acquire),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(xfrm_state_free_security, selinux_xfrm_state_free),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(xfrm_state_delete_security, 
>> selinux_xfrm_state_delete),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(xfrm_policy_lookup, selinux_xfrm_policy_lookup),
>> @@ -7077,14 +7069,12 @@ static struct security_hook_list 
>> selinux_hooks[] __lsm_ro_after_init = {
>>   #endif
>>   #ifdef CONFIG_KEYS
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(key_alloc, selinux_key_alloc),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(key_free, selinux_key_free),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(key_permission, selinux_key_permission),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(key_getsecurity, selinux_key_getsecurity),
>>   #endif
>>   #ifdef CONFIG_AUDIT
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(audit_rule_init, selinux_audit_rule_init),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(audit_rule_known, selinux_audit_rule_known),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(audit_rule_match, selinux_audit_rule_match),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(audit_rule_free, selinux_audit_rule_free),
>> @@ -7094,19 +7084,64 @@ static struct security_hook_list 
>> selinux_hooks[] __lsm_ro_after_init = {
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(bpf, selinux_bpf),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(bpf_map, selinux_bpf_map),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(bpf_prog, selinux_bpf_prog),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(bpf_map_alloc_security, selinux_bpf_map_alloc),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(bpf_prog_alloc_security, selinux_bpf_prog_alloc),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(bpf_map_free_security, selinux_bpf_map_free),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(bpf_prog_free_security, selinux_bpf_prog_free),
>>   #endif
>>   #ifdef CONFIG_PERF_EVENTS
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(perf_event_open, selinux_perf_event_open),
>> -    LSM_HOOK_INIT(perf_event_alloc, selinux_perf_event_alloc),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(perf_event_free, selinux_perf_event_free),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(perf_event_read, selinux_perf_event_read),
>>       LSM_HOOK_INIT(perf_event_write, selinux_perf_event_write),
>>   #endif
>> +
>> +    /*
>> +     * PUT "CLONING" (ACCESSING + ALLOCATING) HOOKS HERE
>> +     */
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(fs_context_dup, selinux_fs_context_dup),
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(fs_context_parse_param, 
>> selinux_fs_context_parse_param),
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(sb_eat_lsm_opts, selinux_sb_eat_lsm_opts),
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(sb_add_mnt_opt, selinux_add_mnt_opt),
>> +#ifdef CONFIG_SECURITY_NETWORK_XFRM
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(xfrm_policy_clone_security, 
>> selinux_xfrm_policy_clone),
>> +#endif
>> +
>> +    /*
>> +     * PUT "ALLOCATING" HOOKS HERE
>> +     */
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(msg_msg_alloc_security, 
>> selinux_msg_msg_alloc_security),
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(msg_queue_alloc_security,
>> +              selinux_msg_queue_alloc_security),
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(shm_alloc_security, selinux_shm_alloc_security),
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(sb_alloc_security, selinux_sb_alloc_security),
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(inode_alloc_security, selinux_inode_alloc_security),
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(sem_alloc_security, selinux_sem_alloc_security),
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(secid_to_secctx, selinux_secid_to_secctx),
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(inode_getsecctx, selinux_inode_getsecctx),
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(sk_alloc_security, selinux_sk_alloc_security),
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(tun_dev_alloc_security, 
>> selinux_tun_dev_alloc_security),
>> +#ifdef CONFIG_SECURITY_INFINIBAND
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(ib_alloc_security, selinux_ib_alloc_security),
>> +#endif
>> +#ifdef CONFIG_SECURITY_NETWORK_XFRM
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(xfrm_policy_alloc_security, 
>> selinux_xfrm_policy_alloc),
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(xfrm_state_alloc, selinux_xfrm_state_alloc),
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(xfrm_state_alloc_acquire,
>> +              selinux_xfrm_state_alloc_acquire),
>> +#endif
>> +#ifdef CONFIG_KEYS
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(key_alloc, selinux_key_alloc),
>> +#endif
>> +#ifdef CONFIG_AUDIT
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(audit_rule_init, selinux_audit_rule_init),
>> +#endif
>> +#ifdef CONFIG_BPF_SYSCALL
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(bpf_map_alloc_security, selinux_bpf_map_alloc),
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(bpf_prog_alloc_security, selinux_bpf_prog_alloc),
>> +#endif
>> +#ifdef CONFIG_PERF_EVENTS
>> +    LSM_HOOK_INIT(perf_event_alloc, selinux_perf_event_alloc),
>> +#endif
>>   };
>>   static __init int selinux_init(void)
>> @@ -7287,14 +7322,14 @@ int selinux_disable(struct selinux_state *state)
>>       selinux_enabled = 0;
>> +    /* Unregister netfilter hooks. */
>> +    selinux_nf_ip_exit();
>> +
>>       security_delete_hooks(selinux_hooks, ARRAY_SIZE(selinux_hooks));
>>       /* Try to destroy the avc node cache */
>>       avc_disable();
>> -    /* Unregister netfilter hooks. */
>> -    selinux_nf_ip_exit();
>> -
>>       /* Unregister selinuxfs. */
>>       exit_sel_fs();
>>
> 


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* Re: [PATCH] selinux: reorder hooks to make runtime disable less broken
  2019-12-09 13:58   ` [PATCH] selinux: reorder hooks to make runtime disable less broken Stephen Smalley
@ 2019-12-09 17:20     ` Casey Schaufler
  2019-12-10 11:27       ` Ondrej Mosnacek
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Casey Schaufler @ 2019-12-09 17:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Stephen Smalley, Ondrej Mosnacek, selinux, Paul Moore, LSM,
	Casey Schaufler

On 12/9/2019 5:58 AM, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> On 12/9/19 8:21 AM, Stephen Smalley wrote:
>> On 12/9/19 2:57 AM, Ondrej Mosnacek wrote:
>>> Commit b1d9e6b0646d ("LSM: Switch to lists of hooks") switched the LSM
>>> infrastructure to use per-hook lists, which meant that removing the
>>> hooks for a given module was no longer atomic. Even though the commit
>>> clearly documents that modules implementing runtime revmoval of hooks
>>> (only SELinux attempts this madness) need to take special precautions to
>>> avoid race conditions, SELinux has never addressed this.
>>>
>>> By inserting an artificial delay between the loop iterations of
>>> security_delete_hooks() (I used 100 ms), booting to a state where
>>> SELinux is enabled, but policy is not yet loaded, and running these
>>> commands:
>>>
>>>      while true; do ping -c 1 <some IP>; done &
>>>      echo -n 1 >/sys/fs/selinux/disable
>>>      kill %1
>>>      wait
>>>
>>> ...I was able to trigger NULL pointer dereferences in various places. I
>>> also have a report of someone getting panics on a stock RHEL-8 kernel
>>> after setting SELINUX=disabled in /etc/selinux/config and rebooting
>>> (without adding "selinux=0" to kernel command-line).
>>>
>>> Reordering the SELinux hooks such that those that allocate structures
>>> are removed last seems to prevent these panics. It is very much possible
>>> that this doesn't make the runtime disable completely race-free, but at
>>> least it makes the operation much less fragile.
>>>
>>> An alternative (and safer) solution would be to add NULL checks to each
>>> hook, but doing this just to support the runtime disable hack doesn't
>>> seem to be worth the effort...
>>
>> Personally, I would prefer to just get rid of runtime disable altogether; it also precludes making the hooks read-only after initialization.  IMHO, selinux=0 is the proper way to disable SELinux if necessary.  I believe there is an open bugzilla on Fedora related to this issue, since runtime disable was originally introduced for Fedora.
>
> Also, if we have to retain this support, it seems like this ought to be fixed in the LSM framework especially since it was a change there that broke the SELinux implementation.

Agreed, mostly. Deleting an LSM is fundamentally something the infrastructure
should handle *if* we allow it. Should we decide at some point to allow loadable
modules, as Tetsuo has advocated from time to time, we would need a general
solution. We don't have a general solution now because only SELinux wants it.
The previous implementation was under #ifdef for SELinux. At the time I understood
that there was no interest in investing in it. The implementation passed tests
at the time.

I propose that until such time as someone decides to seriously investigate
loadable security modules* the sole user of the deletion mechanism is
welcome to invest whatever they like in their special case, and I will be
happy to lend whatever assistance I can.

---
* I do not plan to propose an implementation of loadable modules.
  I leave that as an exercise for the next generation.



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* Re: [PATCH] selinux: reorder hooks to make runtime disable less broken
  2019-12-09 17:20     ` Casey Schaufler
@ 2019-12-10 11:27       ` Ondrej Mosnacek
  2019-12-10 16:23         ` Casey Schaufler
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Ondrej Mosnacek @ 2019-12-10 11:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Casey Schaufler; +Cc: Stephen Smalley, SElinux list, Paul Moore, LSM

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 6:20 PM Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com> wrote:
> On 12/9/2019 5:58 AM, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> > On 12/9/19 8:21 AM, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> >> On 12/9/19 2:57 AM, Ondrej Mosnacek wrote:
> >>> Commit b1d9e6b0646d ("LSM: Switch to lists of hooks") switched the LSM
> >>> infrastructure to use per-hook lists, which meant that removing the
> >>> hooks for a given module was no longer atomic. Even though the commit
> >>> clearly documents that modules implementing runtime revmoval of hooks
> >>> (only SELinux attempts this madness) need to take special precautions to
> >>> avoid race conditions, SELinux has never addressed this.
> >>>
> >>> By inserting an artificial delay between the loop iterations of
> >>> security_delete_hooks() (I used 100 ms), booting to a state where
> >>> SELinux is enabled, but policy is not yet loaded, and running these
> >>> commands:
> >>>
> >>>      while true; do ping -c 1 <some IP>; done &
> >>>      echo -n 1 >/sys/fs/selinux/disable
> >>>      kill %1
> >>>      wait
> >>>
> >>> ...I was able to trigger NULL pointer dereferences in various places. I
> >>> also have a report of someone getting panics on a stock RHEL-8 kernel
> >>> after setting SELINUX=disabled in /etc/selinux/config and rebooting
> >>> (without adding "selinux=0" to kernel command-line).
> >>>
> >>> Reordering the SELinux hooks such that those that allocate structures
> >>> are removed last seems to prevent these panics. It is very much possible
> >>> that this doesn't make the runtime disable completely race-free, but at
> >>> least it makes the operation much less fragile.
> >>>
> >>> An alternative (and safer) solution would be to add NULL checks to each
> >>> hook, but doing this just to support the runtime disable hack doesn't
> >>> seem to be worth the effort...
> >>
> >> Personally, I would prefer to just get rid of runtime disable altogether; it also precludes making the hooks read-only after initialization.  IMHO, selinux=0 is the proper way to disable SELinux if necessary.  I believe there is an open bugzilla on Fedora related to this issue, since runtime disable was originally introduced for Fedora.
> >
> > Also, if we have to retain this support, it seems like this ought to be fixed in the LSM framework especially since it was a change there that broke the SELinux implementation.
>
> Agreed, mostly. Deleting an LSM is fundamentally something the infrastructure
> should handle *if* we allow it. Should we decide at some point to allow loadable
> modules, as Tetsuo has advocated from time to time, we would need a general
> solution. We don't have a general solution now because only SELinux wants it.
> The previous implementation was under #ifdef for SELinux. At the time I understood
> that there was no interest in investing in it. The implementation passed tests
> at the time.
>
> I propose that until such time as someone decides to seriously investigate
> loadable security modules* the sole user of the deletion mechanism is
> welcome to invest whatever they like in their special case, and I will be
> happy to lend whatever assistance I can.

On my way to lunch I came up with another relatively simple solution
that should address this problem at the infrastructure level. Let me
try to write it up into a patch, hopefully it will work...

>
> ---
> * I do not plan to propose an implementation of loadable modules.
>   I leave that as an exercise for the next generation.
>
>

-- 
Ondrej Mosnacek <omosnace at redhat dot com>
Software Engineer, Security Technologies
Red Hat, Inc.


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* Re: [PATCH] selinux: reorder hooks to make runtime disable less broken
  2019-12-10 11:27       ` Ondrej Mosnacek
@ 2019-12-10 16:23         ` Casey Schaufler
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Casey Schaufler @ 2019-12-10 16:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ondrej Mosnacek; +Cc: Stephen Smalley, SElinux list, Paul Moore, LSM

On 12/10/2019 3:27 AM, Ondrej Mosnacek wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 6:20 PM Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com> wrote:
>> On 12/9/2019 5:58 AM, Stephen Smalley wrote:
>>> On 12/9/19 8:21 AM, Stephen Smalley wrote:
>>>> On 12/9/19 2:57 AM, Ondrej Mosnacek wrote:
>>>>> Commit b1d9e6b0646d ("LSM: Switch to lists of hooks") switched the LSM
>>>>> infrastructure to use per-hook lists, which meant that removing the
>>>>> hooks for a given module was no longer atomic. Even though the commit
>>>>> clearly documents that modules implementing runtime revmoval of hooks
>>>>> (only SELinux attempts this madness) need to take special precautions to
>>>>> avoid race conditions, SELinux has never addressed this.
>>>>>
>>>>> By inserting an artificial delay between the loop iterations of
>>>>> security_delete_hooks() (I used 100 ms), booting to a state where
>>>>> SELinux is enabled, but policy is not yet loaded, and running these
>>>>> commands:
>>>>>
>>>>>      while true; do ping -c 1 <some IP>; done &
>>>>>      echo -n 1 >/sys/fs/selinux/disable
>>>>>      kill %1
>>>>>      wait
>>>>>
>>>>> ...I was able to trigger NULL pointer dereferences in various places. I
>>>>> also have a report of someone getting panics on a stock RHEL-8 kernel
>>>>> after setting SELINUX=disabled in /etc/selinux/config and rebooting
>>>>> (without adding "selinux=0" to kernel command-line).
>>>>>
>>>>> Reordering the SELinux hooks such that those that allocate structures
>>>>> are removed last seems to prevent these panics. It is very much possible
>>>>> that this doesn't make the runtime disable completely race-free, but at
>>>>> least it makes the operation much less fragile.
>>>>>
>>>>> An alternative (and safer) solution would be to add NULL checks to each
>>>>> hook, but doing this just to support the runtime disable hack doesn't
>>>>> seem to be worth the effort...
>>>> Personally, I would prefer to just get rid of runtime disable altogether; it also precludes making the hooks read-only after initialization.  IMHO, selinux=0 is the proper way to disable SELinux if necessary.  I believe there is an open bugzilla on Fedora related to this issue, since runtime disable was originally introduced for Fedora.
>>> Also, if we have to retain this support, it seems like this ought to be fixed in the LSM framework especially since it was a change there that broke the SELinux implementation.
>> Agreed, mostly. Deleting an LSM is fundamentally something the infrastructure
>> should handle *if* we allow it. Should we decide at some point to allow loadable
>> modules, as Tetsuo has advocated from time to time, we would need a general
>> solution. We don't have a general solution now because only SELinux wants it.
>> The previous implementation was under #ifdef for SELinux. At the time I understood
>> that there was no interest in investing in it. The implementation passed tests
>> at the time.
>>
>> I propose that until such time as someone decides to seriously investigate
>> loadable security modules* the sole user of the deletion mechanism is
>> welcome to invest whatever they like in their special case, and I will be
>> happy to lend whatever assistance I can.
> On my way to lunch I came up with another relatively simple solution
> that should address this problem at the infrastructure level. Let me
> try to write it up into a patch, hopefully it will work...

I await your proposal with keen interest.

>
>> ---
>> * I do not plan to propose an implementation of loadable modules.
>>   I leave that as an exercise for the next generation.
>>
>>

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