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From: Scott Branden <scott.branden@broadcom.com>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	rafael@kernel.org, ebiederm@xmission.com, jeyu@kernel.org,
	jmorris@namei.org, paul@paul-moore.com,
	stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com, eparis@parisplace.org,
	nayna@linux.ibm.com, dan.carpenter@oracle.com,
	skhan@linuxfoundation.org, geert@linux-m68k.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, bauerman@linux.ibm.com, dhowells@redhat.com,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	selinux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] fs: reduce export usage of kerne_read*() calls
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:25:03 -0700
Message-ID: <c48a80f5-a09c-6747-3db8-be23a260a0cb@broadcom.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202005221551.5CA1372@keescook>

Hi Kees,

On 2020-05-22 4:04 p.m., Kees Cook wrote:
> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 03:24:32PM -0700, Scott Branden wrote:
>> On 2020-05-18 5:37 a.m., Mimi Zohar wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2020-05-17 at 23:22 -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 09:29:33PM +0000, Luis Chamberlain wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 11:17:36AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>>>>>> Can you also move kernel_read_* out of fs.h?  That header gets pulled
>>>>>> in just about everywhere and doesn't really need function not related
>>>>>> to the general fs interface.
>>>>> Sure, where should I dump these?
>>>> Maybe a new linux/kernel_read_file.h?  Bonus points for a small top
>>>> of the file comment explaining the point of the interface, which I
>>>> still don't get :)
>>> Instead of rolling your own method of having the kernel read a file,
>>> which requires call specific security hooks, this interface provides a
>>> single generic set of pre and post security hooks.  The
>>> kernel_read_file_id enumeration permits the security hook to
>>> differentiate between callers.
>>>
>>> To comply with secure and trusted boot concepts, a file cannot be
>>> accessible to the caller until after it has been measured and/or the
>>> integrity (hash/signature) appraised.
>>>
>>> In some cases, the file was previously read twice, first to measure
>>> and/or appraise the file and then read again into a buffer for
>>> use.  This interface reads the file into a buffer once, calls the
>>> generic post security hook, before providing the buffer to the caller.
>>>    (Note using firmware pre-allocated memory might be an issue.)
>>>
>>> Partial reading firmware will result in needing to pre-read the entire
>>> file, most likely on the security pre hook.
>> The entire file may be very large and not fit into a buffer.
>> Hence one of the reasons for a partial read of the file.
>> For security purposes, you need to change your code to limit the amount
>> of data it reads into a buffer at one time to not consume or run out of much
>> memory.
> Hm? That's not how whole-file hashing works. :)

>
> These hooks need to finish their hashing and policy checking before they
> can allow the rest of the code to move forward. (That's why it's a
> security hook.) If kernel memory utilization is the primary concern,
> then sure, things could be rearranged to do partial read and update the
> hash incrementally, but the entire file still needs to be locked,
> entirely hashed by hook, then read by the caller, then unlocked and
> released.
>
> So, if you want to have partial file reads work, you'll need to
> rearchitect the way this works to avoid regressing the security coverage
> of these operations.
I am not familiar with how the security handling code works at all.
Is the same security check run on files opened from user space?
A file could be huge.

If it assumes there is there is enough memory available to read the 
entire file into kernel space
then the improvement below can be left as a memory optimization to be 
done in
an independent (or future) patch series.

> So, probably, the code will look something like:
>
>
> file = kernel_open_file_for_reading(...)
> 	file = open...
> 	disallow_writes(file);
> 	while (processed < size-of-file) {
> 		buf = read(file, size...)
> 		security_file_read_partial(buf)
> 	}
> 	ret = security_file_read_finished(file);
> 	if (ret < 0) {
> 		allow_writes(file);
> 		return PTR_ERR(ret);
> 	}
> 	return file;
>
> while (processed < size-of-file) {
> 	buf = read(file, size...)
> 	firmware_send_partial(buf);
> }
>
> kernel_close_file_for_reading(file)
> 	allow_writes(file);
>
>


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Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-13 15:21 Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-13 15:21 ` [PATCH 1/3] fs: unexport kernel_read_file() Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-13 15:21 ` [PATCH 2/3] security: add symbol namespace for reading file data Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-13 15:40   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-13 16:09     ` Greg KH
2020-05-13 16:16     ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-13 16:26       ` Greg KH
2020-05-13 18:07       ` Josh Triplett
2020-05-13 15:21 ` [PATCH 3/3] fs: move kernel_read*() calls to its own symbol namespace Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-13 16:08   ` Greg KH
2020-05-13 18:17 ` [PATCH 0/3] fs: reduce export usage of kerne_read*() calls Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-15 21:29   ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-18  6:22     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-18 12:37       ` Mimi Zohar
2020-05-18 15:21         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-22 22:24         ` Scott Branden
2020-05-22 23:04           ` Kees Cook
2020-05-22 23:25             ` Scott Branden [this message]
2020-05-24  2:52               ` Mimi Zohar

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