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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>
To: Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>
Cc: Nathaniel McCallum <nathaniel@profian.com>,
	Haitao Huang <haitao.huang@linux.intel.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, tglx@linutronix.de, bp@alien8.de,
	mingo@redhat.com, linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	seanjc@google.com, kai.huang@intel.com, cathy.zhang@intel.com,
	cedric.xing@intel.com, haitao.huang@intel.com,
	mark.shanahan@intel.com, hpa@zytor.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 05/25] x86/sgx: Introduce runtime protection bits
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:41:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YfFdoPkytm97hWad@iki.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41ae95bb-45c8-24f9-1e57-617f28ed4f24@intel.com>

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 08:52:28AM -0800, Reinette Chatre wrote:
> Hi Jarkko,
> 
> On 1/20/2022 4:53 AM, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > On Tue, 2022-01-18 at 12:59 -0800, Reinette Chatre wrote:
> >> Hi Jarkko,
> >>
> >> On 1/17/2022 6:22 PM, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 03:59:29AM +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 08:13:32AM -0500, Nathaniel McCallum
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 6:57 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
> >>>>> <jarkko@kernel.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 03:18:04AM +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 04:41:59PM -0800, Reinette Chatre
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi Jarkko,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 1/14/2022 4:27 PM, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 04:01:33PM -0800, Reinette
> >>>>>>>>> Chatre wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Jarkko,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/14/2022 3:15 PM, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 03:05:21PM -0800, Reinette
> >>>>>>>>>>> Chatre wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jarkko,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> How enclave can check a page range that EPCM has
> >>>>>>>>>>> the expected permissions?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Only way to change EPCM permissions from outside
> >>>>>>>>>> enclave is to run ENCLS[EMODPR]
> >>>>>>>>>> that needs to be accepted from within the enclave via
> >>>>>>>>>> ENCLU[EACCEPT]. At that
> >>>>>>>>>> time the enclave provides the expected permissions
> >>>>>>>>>> and that will fail
> >>>>>>>>>> if there is a mismatch with the EPCM permissions
> >>>>>>>>>> (SGX_PAGE_ATTRIBUTES_MISMATCH).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This is a very valid point but that does make the
> >>>>>>>>> introspection possible
> >>>>>>>>> only at the time of EACCEPT.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It does not give tools for enclave to make sure that
> >>>>>>>>> EMODPR-ETRACK dance
> >>>>>>>>> was ever exercised.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Could you please elaborate? EACCEPT is available to the
> >>>>>>>> enclave as a tool
> >>>>>>>> and it would fail if ETRACK was not completed (error
> >>>>>>>> SGX_NOT_TRACKED).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Here is the relevant snippet from the SDM from the
> >>>>>>>> section where it
> >>>>>>>> describes EACCEPT:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> IF (Tracking not correct)
> >>>>>>>>     THEN
> >>>>>>>>         RFLAGS.ZF := 1;
> >>>>>>>>         RAX := SGX_NOT_TRACKED;
> >>>>>>>>         GOTO DONE;
> >>>>>>>> FI;
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Reinette
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yes, if enclave calls EACCEPT it does the necessary
> >>>>>>> introspection and makes
> >>>>>>> sure that ETRACK is completed. I have trouble understanding
> >>>>>>> how enclave
> >>>>>>> makes sure that EACCEPT was called.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm not concerned of anything going wrong once EMODPR has
> >>>>>> been started.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The problem nails down to that the whole EMODPR process is
> >>>>>> spawned by
> >>>>>> the entity that is not trusted so maybe that should further
> >>>>>> broke down
> >>>>>> to three roles:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1. Build process B
> >>>>>> 2. Runner process R.
> >>>>>> 3. Enclave E.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And to the costraint that we trust B *more* than R. Once B
> >>>>>> has done all the
> >>>>>> needed EMODPR calls it would send the file descriptor to R.
> >>>>>> Even if R would
> >>>>>> have full access to /dev/sgx_enclave, it would not matter,
> >>>>>> since B has done
> >>>>>> EMODPR-EACCEPT dance with E.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So what you can achieve with EMODPR is not protection against
> >>>>>> mistrusted
> >>>>>> *OS*. There's absolutely no chance you could use it for that
> >>>>>> purpose
> >>>>>> because mistrusted OS controls the whole process.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> EMODPR is to help to protect enclave against mistrusted
> >>>>>> *process*, i.e.
> >>>>>> in the above scenario R.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are two general cases that I can see. Both are valid.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. The OS moves from a trusted to an untrusted state. This
> >>>>> could be
> >>>>> the multi-process system you've described. But it could also be
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> the kernel becomes compromised after the enclave is fully
> >>>>> initialized.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2. The OS is untrustworthy from the start.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The second case is the stronger one and if you can solve it,
> >>>>> the first
> >>>>> one is solved implicitly. And our end goal is that if the OS
> >>>>> does
> >>>>> anything malicious we will crash in a controlled way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A defensive enclave will always want to have the least number
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> privileges for the maximum protection. Therefore, the enclave
> >>>>> will
> >>>>> want the OS to call EMODPR. If that were it, the host could
> >>>>> just lie.
> >>>>> But the enclave also verifies that the EMODPR operation was, in
> >>>>> fact,
> >>>>> executed by doing EACCEPT. When the enclave calls EACCEPT, if
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> kernel hasn't restricted permissions then we get a controlled
> >>>>> crash.
> >>>>> Therefore, we have solved the second case.
> >>>>
> >>>> So you're referring to this part of the SDM pseude code in the
> >>>> SDM:
> >>>>
> >>>> (* Check the destination EPC page for concurrency *)
> >>>> IF ( EPC page in use )
> >>>>     THEN #GP(0); FI;
> >>>>
> >>>> I wonder does "EPC page in use" unconditionally trigger when
> >>>> EACCEPT
> >>>> is invoked for a page for which all of these conditions hold:
> >>>>
> >>>> - .PR := 0 (no EMODPR in progress)
> >>>> - .MODIFIED := 0 (no EMODT in progress)
> >>>> - .PENDING := 0 (no EMODPR in progress)
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't know the exact scope and scale of "EPC page in use".
> >>>>
> >>>> Then, yes, EACCEPT could be at least used to validate that one of
> >>>> the
> >>>> three operations above was requested. However, enclave thread
> >>>> cannot say
> >>>> which one was it, so it is guesswork.
> >>>
> >>> OK, I got it, and this last paragraph is not true. SECINFO given
> >>> EACCEPT
> >>> will lock in rest of the details and make the operation
> >>> deterministic.
> >>
> >> Indeed - so the SDM pseudo code that is relevant here can be found
> >> under
> >> the "(* Verify that accept request matches current EPC page settings
> >> *)"
> >> comment where the enclave can verify that all EPCM values are as they
> >> should
> >> and would fail with SGX_PAGE_ATTRIBUTES_MISMATCH if there is anything
> >> amiss.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The only question mark then is the condition when no requests are
> >>> active.
> >>
> >> Could you please elaborate what you mean with this question? If no
> >> request
> >> is active then I understand that to mean that no request has started.
> > 
> > My issue was that when:
> > 
> > - .PR := 0 (no EMODPR in progress)
> > - .MODIFIED := 0 (no EMODT in progress)
> > - .PENDING := 0 (no EMODPR in progress)
> > 
> > Does this trigger #GP when you call EACCEPT?
> 
> From what I understand a #GP would be triggered if the EACCEPT does not
> specify at least one of these. That would be a problem with the EACCEPT
> instruction as opposed to the EPCM contents or OS flow though. This
> can be found under the following comment in the SDM pseudo code:
> 
> (* Check that the combination of requested PT, PENDING and MODIFIED is legal *)
> 
> As far as the actual checking of EPCM values goes, it would not result
> in a #GP but for an unexpected value of MODIFIED or PENDING the EACCEPT
> will fail with SGX_PAGE_ATTRIBUTES_MISMATCH. EACCEPT does not enforce the PR
> bit but it _does_ enforce the individual permission bits.
> 
> > I don't think the answer matters that much tho sice if e.g. EMODPR was never
> > done, and enclave expected a change, #GP would trigger eventually in SECINFO
> > validation.
> 
> Similar here as I understand it will not be a #GP but EACCEPT failure with
> error SGX_PAGE_ATTRIBUTES_MISMATCH. The relevant pseudo-code in the SDM is
> below and you can see how MODIFIED and PENDING are matched but PR not (while
> the individual permission bits are):
> 
> (* Verify that accept request matches current EPC page settings *)
> IF ( (EPCM(DS:RCX).ENCLAVEADDRESS ≠ DS:RCX) or (EPCM(DS:RCX).PENDING ≠ SCRATCH_SECINFO.FLAGS.PENDING) or
> (EPCM(DS:RCX).MODIFIED ≠ SCRATCH_SECINFO.FLAGS.MODIFIED) or (EPCM(DS:RCX).R ≠ SCRATCH_SECINFO.FLAGS.R) or
> (EPCM(DS:RCX).W ≠ SCRATCH_SECINFO.FLAGS.W) or (EPCM(DS:RCX).X ≠ SCRATCH_SECINFO.FLAGS.X) or
> (EPCM(DS:RCX).PT ≠ SCRATCH_SECINFO.FLAGS.PT) )
> THEN
>      RFLAGS.ZF := 1;
>      RAX := SGX_PAGE_ATTRIBUTES_MISMATCH;
>      GOTO DONE;
> FI;
> 
> 
> > 
> > The way I look at EACCEPT is a memory verification tool it does the same at
> > run-time as EINIT does before run-time.
> 
> Indeed.

I think I got this now. Thank you anyway for further explanation :-)

> Reinette

/Jarkko

  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-26 14:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-01 19:22 [PATCH 00/25] x86/sgx and selftests/sgx: Support SGX2 Reinette Chatre
2021-12-01 19:22 ` [PATCH 01/25] x86/sgx: Add shortlog descriptions to ENCLS wrappers Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04 18:30   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-06 21:13     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-11  5:28       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-13 22:06         ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 02/25] x86/sgx: Add wrappers for SGX2 functions Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04 22:04   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-06 21:15     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 03/25] x86/sgx: Support VMA permissions exceeding enclave permissions Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04 22:25   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-04 22:27     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-06 21:16       ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-11  5:39         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-13 22:08           ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 04/25] x86/sgx: Add pfn_mkwrite() handler for present PTEs Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04 22:43   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-06 21:18     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-11  7:37       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-13 22:09         ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-28 14:51           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 05/25] x86/sgx: Introduce runtime protection bits Reinette Chatre
2021-12-03 19:28   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-12-03 22:12     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04  0:38       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-12-04  1:14         ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04 17:56           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-12-04 23:55             ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-13 22:34               ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04 23:57     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-06 21:20       ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-11  7:42         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-13 22:10           ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-28 14:52             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-06 17:46               ` Reinette Chatre
2022-01-07 12:16                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-07 16:14                   ` Haitao Huang
2022-01-08 15:45                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-08 15:51                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-08 16:22                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-10 22:05                           ` Haitao Huang
2022-01-11  1:53                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-11  1:55                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-11  2:03                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-11  2:15                                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-11  3:48                                     ` Haitao Huang
2022-01-12 23:48                                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-13  2:41                                         ` Haitao Huang
2022-01-14 21:36                                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-11 17:13                               ` Reinette Chatre
2022-01-12 23:50                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-12 23:56                                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-13 20:09                                     ` Nathaniel McCallum
2022-01-13 21:42                                       ` Reinette Chatre
2022-01-14 21:53                                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-14 21:57                                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-14 22:00                                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-14 22:17                                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-14 22:23                                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-14 22:34                                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-14 23:05                                           ` Reinette Chatre
2022-01-14 23:15                                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-15  0:01                                               ` Reinette Chatre
2022-01-15  0:27                                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-15  0:41                                                   ` Reinette Chatre
2022-01-15  1:18                                                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-15 11:56                                                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-15 11:59                                                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-17 13:13                                                         ` Nathaniel McCallum
2022-01-18  1:59                                                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-18  2:22                                                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-18  3:31                                                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-18 20:59                                                               ` Reinette Chatre
2022-01-20 12:53                                                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-20 16:52                                                                   ` Reinette Chatre
2022-01-26 14:41                                                                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2022-01-15 16:49                                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-18 21:18                                                 ` Reinette Chatre
2022-01-17 13:27                                         ` Nathaniel McCallum
2022-01-18 21:11                                           ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04 22:50   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-06 21:28     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 06/25] x86/sgx: Use more generic name for enclave cpumask function Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04 22:56   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-06 21:29     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 07/25] x86/sgx: Move PTE zap code to separate function Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04 22:59   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-06 21:30     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-11  7:52       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-13 22:11         ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-28 14:55           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-06 17:46             ` Reinette Chatre
2022-01-07 12:26               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 08/25] x86/sgx: Make SGX IPI callback available internally Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04 23:00   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-06 21:36     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-11  7:53       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 09/25] x86/sgx: Keep record of SGX page type Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04 23:03   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 10/25] x86/sgx: Support enclave page permission changes Reinette Chatre
2021-12-02 23:48   ` Dave Hansen
2021-12-03 18:18     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-03  0:32   ` Dave Hansen
2021-12-03 18:18     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-03 18:14   ` Dave Hansen
2021-12-03 18:49     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-03 19:38   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-12-03 22:34     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04  0:42       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-12-04  1:35         ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04 23:08   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-06 20:19     ` Dave Hansen
2021-12-11  5:17       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-06 21:42     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-11  7:57       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-13 22:12         ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-28 14:56           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 11/25] selftests/sgx: Add test for EPCM " Reinette Chatre
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 12/25] selftests/sgx: Add test for TCS page " Reinette Chatre
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 13/25] x86/sgx: Support adding of pages to initialized enclave Reinette Chatre
2021-12-03  0:38   ` Dave Hansen
2021-12-03 18:47     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04 23:13   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-06 21:44     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-11  8:00       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-13 22:12         ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-28 14:57           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-01 15:13   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-01 17:08     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 14/25] x86/sgx: Tighten accessible memory range after enclave initialization Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04 23:14   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-06 21:45     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-11  8:01       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 15/25] selftests/sgx: Test two different SGX2 EAUG flows Reinette Chatre
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 16/25] x86/sgx: Support modifying SGX page type Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04 23:45   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-06 21:48     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-11  8:02       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-13 17:43         ` Dave Hansen
2021-12-21  8:52           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 17/25] x86/sgx: Support complete page removal Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04 23:45   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-06 21:49     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 18/25] selftests/sgx: Introduce dynamic entry point Reinette Chatre
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 19/25] selftests/sgx: Introduce TCS initialization enclave operation Reinette Chatre
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 20/25] selftests/sgx: Test complete changing of page type flow Reinette Chatre
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 21/25] selftests/sgx: Test faulty enclave behavior Reinette Chatre
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 22/25] selftests/sgx: Test invalid access to removed enclave page Reinette Chatre
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 23/25] selftests/sgx: Test reclaiming of untouched page Reinette Chatre
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 24/25] x86/sgx: Free up EPC pages directly to support large page ranges Reinette Chatre
2021-12-04 23:47   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-12-06 22:07     ` Reinette Chatre
2021-12-01 19:23 ` [PATCH 25/25] selftests/sgx: Page removal stress test Reinette Chatre
2021-12-02 18:30 ` [PATCH 00/25] x86/sgx and selftests/sgx: Support SGX2 Dave Hansen
2021-12-02 20:38   ` Nathaniel McCallum

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