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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	linux-toolchains@vger.kernel.org, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, stern@rowland.harvard.edu,
	parri.andrea@gmail.com, boqun.feng@gmail.com, npiggin@gmail.com,
	dhowells@redhat.com, j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk, luc.maranget@inria.fr,
	akiyks@gmail.com, dlustig@nvidia.com, joel@joelfernandes.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: Control Dependencies vs C Compilers
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 23:07:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201007210717.GP2628@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201007171107.GO29330@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72>

On Wed, Oct 07, 2020 at 10:11:07AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:

> Challenges include:
> 
> o	Unmarked accesses.  Compilers are quite aggressive about
> 	moving normal code.

Which is why this thread exists :-) We wants to dis-allow lifting the
stores over our volatile-if.

> o	Separately compiled code.  For example, does the compiler have
> 	unfortunatel optimization opportunities when "volatile if" 
> 	appears in one translation unit and the dependent stores in
> 	some other translation unit?

It can hardly lift anything outside a TU (barring the next point). So I
don't see how it can go wrong here. This is in fact the case with the
perf ringbuffer. The ctrl-dep lives in a different TU from the
stores.

> o	LTO, as has already been mentioned in this thread.

So I would probably advocate the volatile-if to be a full sync point,
and LTO would have to preserve that.


  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-07 21:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-06 11:47 Control Dependencies vs C Compilers Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-06 12:37 ` David Laight
2020-10-06 12:49   ` Willy Tarreau
2020-10-06 13:31   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-06 14:23     ` stern
2020-10-06 14:43       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-06 15:16         ` Nick Clifton
2020-10-06 15:37           ` David Laight
2020-10-06 15:50             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-06 16:10               ` Willy Tarreau
2020-10-06 16:22                 ` David Laight
2020-10-06 16:31                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-06 15:07     ` David Laight
2020-10-06 21:20 ` Florian Weimer
2020-10-07  9:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-07 10:20     ` Florian Weimer
2020-10-07 11:50       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-07 17:11         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-07 21:07           ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2020-10-07 21:20             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-07 10:30     ` Willy Tarreau

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