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From: Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: bjorn@mork.no, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/5] fix races in CDC-WDM
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 11:50:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1600336214.2424.39.camel@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4e724e07-3993-bcaa-79e9-45a2f7e1f759@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>

Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2020, 20:14 +0900 schrieb Tetsuo Handa:
> On 2020/09/16 19:18, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> > Am Dienstag, den 15.09.2020, 19:30 +0900 schrieb Tetsuo Handa:
> > > On 2020/09/15 18:14, Oliver Neukum wrote
> > > > Is there something we can do in flush()?
> > > 
> > > I consider that wdm_flush() is a wrong place to return an error. It is possible that
> > 
> > I am afraid that is a basic problem we need to resolve. As I understand
> >  it, flush() as a method exists precisely to report errors. Otherwise
> > you could implement it in release(). But this is not called for every
> > close().
> 
> I think fsync() or ioctl() is a better method for reporting errors.

Very well, I am implementing fsync(). However, I must say that the very
existance of fsync() tells us that write() is not expected to push
data out to devices and hence report results.

> Whether N'th write() request succeeded remains unknown until (N+1)'th
> write() request or close() request is issued? That sounds a strange design.

Welcome to the world of Unix. This is necessary if you want to block
as rarely as possible.

> If there is nothing more to write(), how userspace process knows whether
> N'th write() request succeeded? Wait for writability using poll() ?

Technically fsync(). poll() will tell you that you can write again.
That is a related but different concept.

> What is the purpose of sending the error to the userspace process via write() or close()?

Yes. However to do so, user space must be running. That the death
of a process interferes with error handling is independent from that.

> And I think that wdm_flush() is a strange interface for reporting the error.

Well, POSIX is what it is.The close() syscall is supposed to return
errors. Hence flush() must report them.

	Regards
		Oliver


  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-17 10:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-12 13:20 [RFC 0/5] fix races in CDC-WDM Oliver Neukum
2020-08-12 13:20 ` [RFC 1/5] CDC-WDM: fix hangs in flush() Oliver Neukum
2020-08-12 13:20 ` [RFC 2/5] CDC-WDM: introduce a timeout " Oliver Neukum
2020-08-12 13:20 ` [RFC 3/5] CDC-WDM: making flush() interruptible Oliver Neukum
2020-08-12 13:20 ` [RFC 4/5] CDC-WDM: fix race reporting errors in flush Oliver Neukum
2020-08-12 13:20 ` [RFC 5/5] CDC-WDM: remove use of intf->dev after potential disconnect Oliver Neukum
2020-08-12 14:29 ` [RFC 0/5] fix races in CDC-WDM Tetsuo Handa
2020-09-10  9:09   ` Oliver Neukum
2020-09-10 10:01     ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-09-15  9:14       ` Oliver Neukum
2020-09-15 10:30         ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-09-16 10:18           ` Oliver Neukum
2020-09-16 11:14             ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-09-17  9:50               ` Oliver Neukum [this message]
2020-09-17 11:24                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-09-17 14:17                   ` Oliver Neukum
2020-09-17 16:17                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-09-21 10:52                       ` Oliver Neukum
2020-09-22  1:56                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-09-22  7:33                           ` Oliver Neukum
2020-09-22  8:34                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-09-22  9:45                               ` Oliver Neukum

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