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From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>,
	"Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@suse.com>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, james.l.morris@oracle.com,
	serge@hallyn.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Kyle McMartin <kyle@kernel.org>,
	David Woodhouse <david.woodhouse@intel.com>,
	Joey Lee <jlee@suse.de>, Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com, mricon@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFD] linux-firmware key arrangement for firmware signing
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 23:14:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150521061453.GC30864@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150521054101.GA15037@localhost>

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 08:41:02AM +0300, Petko Manolov wrote:
> > I too don't understand this need to sign something that you don't really know 
> > what it is from some other company, just to send it to a separate device that 
> > is going to do whatever it wants with it if it is signed or not.
> 
> This is not the point.  What you need to know is _where_ the firmware came from, 
> not _what_ it does once it reach your system.  If you don't care about such 
> things, just ignore the signature. :)

Ok, but how do we know "where"?  Who is going to start signing and
attesting to the validity of all of the firmware images in the
linux-firmware tree suddenly?  Why is it the kernel's job to attest this
"where"?  Shouldn't your distro/manufacturer be doing that as part of
their "put this file on this disk" responsibilities (i.e. the package
manager?)

What is verifying a firmware image signature in the kernel attesting
that isn't already known in userspace?

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-21  6:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-19 20:02 [RFD] linux-firmware key arrangement for firmware signing Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-19 20:40 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-19 20:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-19 22:11   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-19 22:40     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-19 23:30   ` Julian Calaby
2015-05-19 23:42     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-20  0:39       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-20  0:41         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-21 22:26           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-21 23:15             ` Casey Schaufler
2015-05-21 15:51   ` David Howells
2015-05-21 16:30     ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-21 16:39     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-21 16:51       ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21 16:55         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-21 17:44           ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21 16:43     ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21 16:48       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-21 16:58         ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21 16:59       ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-19 21:48 ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-19 22:19   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-19 23:37     ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-20  0:22       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-20  1:06         ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-20  1:29           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-20  2:05             ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-20  2:10               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-20 15:49                 ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-20 16:08         ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-20 14:04 ` Seth Forshee
2015-05-20 16:24   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-05-20 16:46     ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21  4:41       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-05-21  5:41         ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21  6:14           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman [this message]
2015-05-21 13:05             ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-21 15:45               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-05-21 15:53                 ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21 16:57                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-05-26 17:08                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-05-26 19:15                     ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-26 19:52                     ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-26 23:06                   ` David Howells
2015-05-21 16:03                 ` Woodhouse, David
2015-05-21 16:22                   ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-21 16:31                     ` Woodhouse, David
2015-05-21 17:02                   ` gregkh
2015-05-21 17:14                     ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21 18:23                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-21 18:30                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-21 19:32                     ` Woodhouse, David
2015-05-21 17:49                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-21 14:45             ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21 22:50     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-20 20:35   ` Kyle McMartin
2015-05-20 15:08 ` David Howells
2015-05-20 15:47   ` Seth Forshee
2015-05-21 16:23   ` David Howells
2015-05-20 15:14 ` David Howells

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