Question on Intel AX200

Question on Intel AX200

[Ben Greear]

Hello,

Does anyone know how well AX200 currently supports:

OFDMA

MU-MIMO (receiver)

AP Mode

And, can anyone suggest a good /AX AP to test against for these features?

Thanks,
Ben

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Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Candela Technologies Inc  http://www.candelatech.com

Re: Question on Intel AX200

[Tim Higgins]

On 9/11/2019 9:49 AM, Ben Greear wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone know how well AX200 currently supports:
>
> OFDMA
>
> MU-MIMO (receiver)
>
> AP Mode
>
> And, can anyone suggest a good /AX AP to test against for these features?
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
>
Hi Ben,
I've been doing a lot of testing with the AX200 as a STA and sniffer, focusing on trying to see 
if OFDMA lives up to its advertised features. This topic is probably not of interest to this 
general list, so I'm happy to take the discussion to one-on-one.

Tim

Re: Question on Intel AX200

[Sid Hayn]

I'm pretty interested in hearing this too.

-Zero

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:41 PM Tim Higgins <tim@timhiggins.com> wrote:
>
> On 9/11/2019 9:49 AM, Ben Greear wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Does anyone know how well AX200 currently supports:
> >
> > OFDMA
> >
> > MU-MIMO (receiver)
> >
> > AP Mode
> >
> > And, can anyone suggest a good /AX AP to test against for these features?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ben
> >
> Hi Ben,
> I've been doing a lot of testing with the AX200 as a STA and sniffer, focusing on trying to see
> if OFDMA lives up to its advertised features. This topic is probably not of interest to this
> general list, so I'm happy to take the discussion to one-on-one.
>
> Tim

Re: Question on Intel AX200

[Toke Høiland-Jørgensen]

Sid Hayn <sidhayn@gmail.com> writes:

> I'm pretty interested in hearing this too.

Me too! :)

-Toke

Re: Question on Intel AX200

[Tim Higgins]

>> On 9/11/2019 9:49 AM, Ben Greear wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Does anyone know how well AX200 currently supports:
>>>
>>> OFDMA
>>>
>>> MU-MIMO (receiver)
>>>
>>> AP Mode
>>>
>>> And, can anyone suggest a good /AX AP to test against for these features?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ben
>>>
>> Hi Ben,
>> I've been doing a lot of testing with the AX200 as a STA and sniffer, focusing on trying to see
>> if OFDMA lives up to its advertised features. This topic is probably not of interest to this
>> general list, so I'm happy to take the discussion to one-on-one.
>>
>> Tim
I'll provide a brief summary and anyone interested can follow up directly with me.

My focus is on the consumer Wi-Fi space, so I can't speak for Enterprise grade gear.
In that space, the only products that currently have OFDMA enabled are the ASUS RT-AX88U 
(Broadcom platform),  NETGEAR RAX120 (Qualcomm platform) and Arris SURFboard mAX PRO and 
SURFboard mAX PLUS. I have looked at the ASUS and NETGEAR, but don't have the Arris in hand.

Engenius' EWS357AP (Qualcomm platform) also has OFDMA enabled. I'm not sure of the state of 
publicly released firmware. I tried a few firmware versions and the results were not very good. 
So I've set that one aside for now.

The ASUS has beta code that the company says supports OFDMA DL in 5 GHz best, uplink no so much 
and 2.4 GHz is not stable.

The NETGEAR supports OFDMA in both 2.4 and 5 GHz, but downlink only.

There is no product I know of that supports DL and UL OFDMA in both bands.

I've been using four Samsung S10e's as my STAs to run traffic to using iperf3. I also have a few 
Intel AX200's on ASUS mini ITX boards and one on an ASUS pico ITX board. Right now, the AX200 is 
used mainly for capture. Thanks to help from Johannes, I got the debug kernel capability working 
that allows capturing individual AIDs. So I can capture OFDMA data frames and, of course, HE 
management and trigger frames.

An ongoing issue is that I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be seeing when sniffing OFDMA DL and 
UL traffic. The DL OFDMA and UL OFDMA sequences described in David Coleman's Aerohive blog 
posts, which are also in the CWNA 5th Edition Study Guide that David co-authored, have yet to be 
seen.
https://blog.aerohive.com/dl-ofdma/
https://blog.aerohive.com/uplink-orthogonal-division-multiple-access-ul-ofdma-in-802-11ax/

So I don't even know if the products I'm testing are implementing "proper" OFDMA.

I've yet to see OFDMA's key features of higher efficiency and lower latency using simple TCP/IP 
traffic and ping. There are many moving parts on both AP and STA...this is going to take awhile 
to sort out.

Re: Question on Intel AX200

[David Poole]

On Wed, 2019-09-11 at 06:49 -0700, Ben Greear wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Does anyone know how well AX200 currently supports:
> 
> OFDMA
> 
> MU-MIMO (receiver)
> 
> AP Mode
> 
> And, can anyone suggest a good /AX AP to test against for these
> features?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ben
> 

On the AP Mode side, we have a few AX200 PCIe cards. I've been working
to get AP mode working with hostpad. Device says supports AP mode but
I'm hitting some issues with regulatory domains (channel EINVAL).