Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 6GHz

Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 6GHz

[Timo Witte]

The bundesnetzagentur has assigned WiFi 6E frequencies for germany you
this is the
publication of that change:
https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/MobilfunkDectWlanCBFunk/vfg552021WLAN6GHz.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=3

Following frequencies have been assigned for general use:
5945 - 6425 Mhz
maximum (200 mW)
No outdoor usage is allowed for 200mW

For "very low power devices" outdoor usage
is allowed, but only with (25 mW)
same frequency range 5945 - 6425

There is no DFS requirement.

Best regards,
Timo

Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 6GHz

[Seth Forshee]

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 02:20:34AM +0200, Timo Witte wrote:
> The bundesnetzagentur has assigned WiFi 6E frequencies for germany you
> this is the
> publication of that change:
> https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/MobilfunkDectWlanCBFunk/vfg552021WLAN6GHz.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=3
> 
> Following frequencies have been assigned for general use:
> 5945 - 6425 Mhz
> maximum (200 mW)
> No outdoor usage is allowed for 200mW
> 
> For "very low power devices" outdoor usage
> is allowed, but only with (25 mW)
> same frequency range 5945 - 6425
> 
> There is no DFS requirement.

This all matches with my reading of a translated version of the
document. Do you plan to send a patch to add this range? If not, I can
send one.

Thanks,
Seth

Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 6GHz

[Timo Witte]

Signed-off-by: Timo Witte <timo.witte@gmail.com>
---
 db.txt | 10 ++++++++++
 1 file changed, 10 insertions(+)

diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
index 1e5ed03..411b7ac 100644
--- a/db.txt
+++ b/db.txt
@@ -448,6 +448,12 @@ country CZ: DFS-ETSI
 # Bereich 57 GHz - 66 GHz für Funkanwendungen für weitbandige
 # Datenübertragungssysteme; „Multiple Gigabit WAS/RLAN Systems (MGWS)“).
 # https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/2011_08_MGWS_pdf.pdf
+#
+# Allocation for the WiFi 6E Band (Allgemeinzuteilung von Frequenzen im
+# Bereich 5945 MHz - 6425 MHz für drahtlose Zugangssysteme,
+# einschließlich lokaler Funknetze WAS/WLAN („Wireless Access Systems
+# including Wireless Local Area Networks“))
+# https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/MobilfunkDectWlanCBFunk/v>
 country DE: DFS-ETSI
        (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
        (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
@@ -455,6 +461,10 @@ country DE: DFS-ETSI
        (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS, wmmrule=ETSI
        # short range devices (ETSI EN 300 440-1)
        (5725 - 5875 @ 80), (25 mW)
+       # WiFi 6E
+       (5945 - 6425 @ 160), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
+       # WiFi 6E Short range (Outdoor allowed)
+       (5945 - 6425 @ 160), (25 mW), AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
        # 60 GHz band channels 1-4 (ETSI EN 302 567)
        (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)

-- 
2.31.1

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 4:29 PM Seth Forshee <sforshee@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 02:20:34AM +0200, Timo Witte wrote:
> > The bundesnetzagentur has assigned WiFi 6E frequencies for germany you
> > this is the
> > publication of that change:
> > https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/MobilfunkDectWlanCBFunk/vfg552021WLAN6GHz.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=3
> >
> > Following frequencies have been assigned for general use:
> > 5945 - 6425 Mhz
> > maximum (200 mW)
> > No outdoor usage is allowed for 200mW
> >
> > For "very low power devices" outdoor usage
> > is allowed, but only with (25 mW)
> > same frequency range 5945 - 6425
> >
> > There is no DFS requirement.
>
> This all matches with my reading of a translated version of the
> document. Do you plan to send a patch to add this range? If not, I can
> send one.
>
> Thanks,
> Seth

Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 6GHz

[Timo Witte]

From f9a99269b00f961e40024632c7b831c615bfa392 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Timo Witte <timo.witte@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 16:51:40 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] add wifi6e for germany

Signed-off-by: Timo Witte <timo.witte@gmail.com>
---
 db.txt | 10 ++++++++++
 1 file changed, 10 insertions(+)

diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
index 1e5ed03..411b7ac 100644
--- a/db.txt
+++ b/db.txt
@@ -448,6 +448,12 @@ country CZ: DFS-ETSI
 # Bereich 57 GHz - 66 GHz für Funkanwendungen für weitbandige
 # Datenübertragungssysteme; „Multiple Gigabit WAS/RLAN Systems (MGWS)“).
 # https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/2011_08_MGWS_pdf.pdf
+#
+# Allocation for the WiFi 6E Band (Allgemeinzuteilung von Frequenzen im
+# Bereich 5945 MHz - 6425 MHz für drahtlose Zugangssysteme,
+# einschließlich lokaler Funknetze WAS/WLAN („Wireless Access Systems
+# including Wireless Local Area Networks“))
+# https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/MobilfunkDectWlanCBFunk/vfg552021WLAN6GHz.pdf
 country DE: DFS-ETSI
        (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
        (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
@@ -455,6 +461,10 @@ country DE: DFS-ETSI
        (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS, wmmrule=ETSI
        # short range devices (ETSI EN 300 440-1)
        (5725 - 5875 @ 80), (25 mW)
+       # WiFi 6E
+       (5945 - 6425 @ 160), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
+       # WiFi 6E Short range (Outdoor allowed)
+       (5945 - 6425 @ 160), (25 mW), AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
        # 60 GHz band channels 1-4 (ETSI EN 302 567)
        (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)

-- 
2.31.1

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 4:29 PM Seth Forshee <sforshee@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 02:20:34AM +0200, Timo Witte wrote:
> > The bundesnetzagentur has assigned WiFi 6E frequencies for germany you
> > this is the
> > publication of that change:
> > https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/MobilfunkDectWlanCBFunk/vfg552021WLAN6GHz.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=3
> >
> > Following frequencies have been assigned for general use:
> > 5945 - 6425 Mhz
> > maximum (200 mW)
> > No outdoor usage is allowed for 200mW
> >
> > For "very low power devices" outdoor usage
> > is allowed, but only with (25 mW)
> > same frequency range 5945 - 6425
> >
> > There is no DFS requirement.
>
> This all matches with my reading of a translated version of the
> document. Do you plan to send a patch to add this range? If not, I can
> send one.
>
> Thanks,
> Seth

Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 6GHz

[Seth Forshee]

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 04:57:03PM +0200, Timo Witte wrote:
> From f9a99269b00f961e40024632c7b831c615bfa392 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Timo Witte <timo.witte@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 16:51:40 +0200
> Subject: [PATCH] add wifi6e for germany
> 
> Signed-off-by: Timo Witte <timo.witte@gmail.com>
> ---
>  db.txt | 10 ++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 10 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> index 1e5ed03..411b7ac 100644
> --- a/db.txt
> +++ b/db.txt
> @@ -448,6 +448,12 @@ country CZ: DFS-ETSI
>  # Bereich 57 GHz - 66 GHz für Funkanwendungen für weitbandige
>  # Datenübertragungssysteme; „Multiple Gigabit WAS/RLAN Systems (MGWS)“).
>  # https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/2011_08_MGWS_pdf.pdf
> +#
> +# Allocation for the WiFi 6E Band (Allgemeinzuteilung von Frequenzen im
> +# Bereich 5945 MHz - 6425 MHz für drahtlose Zugangssysteme,
> +# einschließlich lokaler Funknetze WAS/WLAN („Wireless Access Systems
> +# including Wireless Local Area Networks“))
> +# https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/MobilfunkDectWlanCBFunk/vfg552021WLAN6GHz.pdf
>  country DE: DFS-ETSI
>         (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
>         (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> @@ -455,6 +461,10 @@ country DE: DFS-ETSI
>         (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS, wmmrule=ETSI
>         # short range devices (ETSI EN 300 440-1)
>         (5725 - 5875 @ 80), (25 mW)
> +       # WiFi 6E
> +       (5945 - 6425 @ 160), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> +       # WiFi 6E Short range (Outdoor allowed)
> +       (5945 - 6425 @ 160), (25 mW), AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI

Unfortunately the kernel doesn't support multiple rules for a given
range with differing flags. Currently it is necessary to specify either
the indoor power limit with NO-OUTDOOR or the outdoor power limit, but
not both.

Thanks,
Seth

Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 6GHz

[Timo Witte]

Ok then let's just remove the 25mW line.
Here is the new patch:

diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
index 1e5ed03..debd878 100644
--- a/db.txt
+++ b/db.txt
@@ -448,6 +448,12 @@ country CZ: DFS-ETSI
 # Bereich 57 GHz - 66 GHz für Funkanwendungen für weitbandige
 # Datenübertragungssysteme; „Multiple Gigabit WAS/RLAN Systems (MGWS)“).
 # https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/2011_08_MGWS_pdf.pdf
+#
+# Allocation for the WiFi 6E Band (Allgemeinzuteilung von Frequenzen im
+# Bereich 5945 MHz - 6425 MHz für drahtlose Zugangssysteme,
+# einschließlich lokaler Funknetze WAS/WLAN („Wireless Access Systems
+# including Wireless Local Area Networks“))
+# https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/MobilfunkDectWlanCBFunk/vfg552021WLAN6GHz.pdf
 country DE: DFS-ETSI
  (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
  (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
@@ -455,6 +461,8 @@ country DE: DFS-ETSI
  (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS, wmmrule=ETSI
  # short range devices (ETSI EN 300 440-1)
  (5725 - 5875 @ 80), (25 mW)
+ # WiFi 6E
+ (5945 - 6425 @ 160), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
  # 60 GHz band channels 1-4 (ETSI EN 302 567)
  (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)


On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 5:27 PM Seth Forshee <sforshee@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 04:57:03PM +0200, Timo Witte wrote:
> > From f9a99269b00f961e40024632c7b831c615bfa392 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> > From: Timo Witte <timo.witte@gmail.com>
> > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 16:51:40 +0200
> > Subject: [PATCH] add wifi6e for germany
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Timo Witte <timo.witte@gmail.com>
> > ---
> >  db.txt | 10 ++++++++++
> >  1 file changed, 10 insertions(+)
> >
> > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> > index 1e5ed03..411b7ac 100644
> > --- a/db.txt
> > +++ b/db.txt
> > @@ -448,6 +448,12 @@ country CZ: DFS-ETSI
> >  # Bereich 57 GHz - 66 GHz für Funkanwendungen für weitbandige
> >  # Datenübertragungssysteme; „Multiple Gigabit WAS/RLAN Systems (MGWS)“).
> >  # https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/2011_08_MGWS_pdf.pdf
> > +#
> > +# Allocation for the WiFi 6E Band (Allgemeinzuteilung von Frequenzen im
> > +# Bereich 5945 MHz - 6425 MHz für drahtlose Zugangssysteme,
> > +# einschließlich lokaler Funknetze WAS/WLAN („Wireless Access Systems
> > +# including Wireless Local Area Networks“))
> > +# https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/MobilfunkDectWlanCBFunk/vfg552021WLAN6GHz.pdf
> >  country DE: DFS-ETSI
> >         (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
> >         (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > @@ -455,6 +461,10 @@ country DE: DFS-ETSI
> >         (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS, wmmrule=ETSI
> >         # short range devices (ETSI EN 300 440-1)
> >         (5725 - 5875 @ 80), (25 mW)
> > +       # WiFi 6E
> > +       (5945 - 6425 @ 160), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > +       # WiFi 6E Short range (Outdoor allowed)
> > +       (5945 - 6425 @ 160), (25 mW), AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
>
> Unfortunately the kernel doesn't support multiple rules for a given
> range with differing flags. Currently it is necessary to specify either
> the indoor power limit with NO-OUTDOOR or the outdoor power limit, but
> not both.
>
> Thanks,
> Seth

Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 6GHz

[Timo Witte]

Any updates on this Seth?
can we just add the "NO-OUTDOOR" line then as i did in my updated
patch, if the kernel does not support overlapping / identical
frequency ranges with different power limits?

Best regards,
Timo


On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 5:51 PM Timo Witte <timo.witte@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ok then let's just remove the 25mW line.
> Here is the new patch:
>
> diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> index 1e5ed03..debd878 100644
> --- a/db.txt
> +++ b/db.txt
> @@ -448,6 +448,12 @@ country CZ: DFS-ETSI
>  # Bereich 57 GHz - 66 GHz für Funkanwendungen für weitbandige
>  # Datenübertragungssysteme; „Multiple Gigabit WAS/RLAN Systems (MGWS)“).
>  # https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/2011_08_MGWS_pdf.pdf
> +#
> +# Allocation for the WiFi 6E Band (Allgemeinzuteilung von Frequenzen im
> +# Bereich 5945 MHz - 6425 MHz für drahtlose Zugangssysteme,
> +# einschließlich lokaler Funknetze WAS/WLAN („Wireless Access Systems
> +# including Wireless Local Area Networks“))
> +# https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/MobilfunkDectWlanCBFunk/vfg552021WLAN6GHz.pdf
>  country DE: DFS-ETSI
>   (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
>   (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> @@ -455,6 +461,8 @@ country DE: DFS-ETSI
>   (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS, wmmrule=ETSI
>   # short range devices (ETSI EN 300 440-1)
>   (5725 - 5875 @ 80), (25 mW)
> + # WiFi 6E
> + (5945 - 6425 @ 160), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
>   # 60 GHz band channels 1-4 (ETSI EN 302 567)
>   (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 5:27 PM Seth Forshee <sforshee@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 04:57:03PM +0200, Timo Witte wrote:
> > > From f9a99269b00f961e40024632c7b831c615bfa392 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> > > From: Timo Witte <timo.witte@gmail.com>
> > > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 16:51:40 +0200
> > > Subject: [PATCH] add wifi6e for germany
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Timo Witte <timo.witte@gmail.com>
> > > ---
> > >  db.txt | 10 ++++++++++
> > >  1 file changed, 10 insertions(+)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> > > index 1e5ed03..411b7ac 100644
> > > --- a/db.txt
> > > +++ b/db.txt
> > > @@ -448,6 +448,12 @@ country CZ: DFS-ETSI
> > >  # Bereich 57 GHz - 66 GHz für Funkanwendungen für weitbandige
> > >  # Datenübertragungssysteme; „Multiple Gigabit WAS/RLAN Systems (MGWS)“).
> > >  # https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/2011_08_MGWS_pdf.pdf
> > > +#
> > > +# Allocation for the WiFi 6E Band (Allgemeinzuteilung von Frequenzen im
> > > +# Bereich 5945 MHz - 6425 MHz für drahtlose Zugangssysteme,
> > > +# einschließlich lokaler Funknetze WAS/WLAN („Wireless Access Systems
> > > +# including Wireless Local Area Networks“))
> > > +# https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/MobilfunkDectWlanCBFunk/vfg552021WLAN6GHz.pdf
> > >  country DE: DFS-ETSI
> > >         (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
> > >         (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > > @@ -455,6 +461,10 @@ country DE: DFS-ETSI
> > >         (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS, wmmrule=ETSI
> > >         # short range devices (ETSI EN 300 440-1)
> > >         (5725 - 5875 @ 80), (25 mW)
> > > +       # WiFi 6E
> > > +       (5945 - 6425 @ 160), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > > +       # WiFi 6E Short range (Outdoor allowed)
> > > +       (5945 - 6425 @ 160), (25 mW), AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> >
> > Unfortunately the kernel doesn't support multiple rules for a given
> > range with differing flags. Currently it is necessary to specify either
> > the indoor power limit with NO-OUTDOOR or the outdoor power limit, but
> > not both.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Seth

Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 6GHz

[Seth Forshee]

On Sun, Aug 01, 2021 at 03:17:43AM +0200, Timo Witte wrote:
> Any updates on this Seth?
> can we just add the "NO-OUTDOOR" line then as i did in my updated patch, if
> the kernel does not support overlapping / identical frequency ranges with
> different power limits?

Sorry, I was giving it a few days for comments, and since then I've been
quite busy. The patch wasn't formatted quite right for application, but
I made adjustments and have applied it now. Thanks!

Seth