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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: linux-xfs <linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	CAI Qian <caiqian@redhat.com>,
	xfs@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: xfs_file_splice_read: possible circular locking dependency detected
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 09:59:17 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160906235917.GO30056@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160903014514.GB2356@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 02:45:14AM +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 05:57:04PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Fundamentally a splice infrastructure problem.
> > 
> > Yeah, I don't really like how we handle the pipe lock.
> > 
> > It *might* be possible to instead just increment the reference
> > counters as we build a kvec[] array of them, and simply do teh write
> > without holding the pipe lock at all.
> > 
> > That has other problems, ie concurrect spices from the same pipe would
> > possibly write the same data multiple times, though.
> > 
> > But yes, the fundamental problem is how splice wants to take the pipe
> > lock both early and late. Very annoying.
> 
> We could, in principle, add another flavour of iov_iter, with bvec
> array attached to it with copy_page_to_iter() sticking an extra ref to that
> page into array.  Then, under pipe lock, feed that thing to ->read_iter()
> and do an equivalent of splice_to_pipe() that would take bvec array instead
> of struct page */struct partial_page arrays.

Not sure I quite follow - where do the pages come from? Do we
allocate new pages that get put into the bvec, then run the read
which copies data from the page cache page into them, then hand
those pages in the bvec to the pipe?

ISTR this read->splice_to_pipe path was once supposed to be a
zero-copy path - doesn't this make zero-copy impossible? Or was the
zero-copy splice read path done through some other path I've
forgotten about?

> Hell, we could even have copy_to_iter() for these puppies allocate a page,
> stick it into the next bvec and copy into it.  Especially if we have those
> bvec zeroed, with copy_page_to_iter() leaving ->bvec pointing to the next
> (unused) bvec and copy_to_iter() doing that only when a page had been
> completely filled.  I.e.

This has the same "data copy in the splice read path" as the above
interface. However, I suspect that this interface could actually be
used for zero copy (by stealing pages from the page cache rather
than allocating new pages and copying), so it may be a better way to
proceed...

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

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2016-09-03  0:39   ` xfs_file_splice_read: possible circular locking dependency detected Dave Chinner
2016-09-03  0:57     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-03  1:45       ` Al Viro
2016-09-06 23:59         ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2016-09-08 20:35           ` Al Viro
2016-09-06 21:53     ` CAI Qian
2016-09-06 23:34       ` Dave Chinner
2016-09-08 15:29     ` CAI Qian
2016-09-08 17:56       ` Al Viro
2016-09-08 18:12         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-08 18:18           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-08 20:44           ` Al Viro
2016-09-08 20:57             ` Al Viro
2016-09-08 21:23             ` Al Viro
2016-09-08 21:38           ` Dave Chinner
2016-09-08 23:55             ` Al Viro
2016-09-09  1:53               ` Dave Chinner
2016-09-09  2:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-09  2:26                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-09  2:34                     ` Al Viro
2016-09-09  2:50                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-09 22:19                         ` Al Viro
2016-09-10  2:06                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-14  3:16                             ` Al Viro
2016-09-14  3:39                               ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-14  4:01                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-18  5:33                                 ` Al Viro
2016-09-19  3:08                                   ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-19  6:11                                     ` Al Viro
2016-09-19  7:26                                       ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-14  3:49                               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-14  4:26                                 ` Al Viro
2016-09-17  8:20                                   ` Al Viro
2016-09-17 19:00                                     ` Al Viro
2016-09-17 20:15                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-23 19:00                                       ` [RFC][CFT] splice_read reworked Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:01                                         ` [PATCH 01/11] fix memory leaks in tracing_buffers_splice_read() Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:02                                         ` [PATCH 02/11] splice_to_pipe(): don't open-code wakeup_pipe_readers() Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:02                                         ` [PATCH 03/11] splice: switch get_iovec_page_array() to iov_iter Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:03                                         ` [PATCH 04/11] splice: lift pipe_lock out of splice_to_pipe() Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:45                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-23 20:10                                             ` Al Viro
2016-09-23 20:36                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-24  3:59                                                 ` Al Viro
2016-09-24 17:29                                                   ` Al Viro
2016-09-27 15:38                                                     ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-27 15:53                                                     ` Chuck Lever
2016-09-24  3:59                                                 ` [PATCH 04/12] " Al Viro
2016-09-26 13:35                                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2016-09-27  4:14                                                     ` Al Viro
2016-12-17 19:54                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2016-12-18 19:28                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-18 19:57                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2016-12-18 20:12                                                       ` Al Viro
2016-12-18 20:30                                                         ` Al Viro
2016-12-18 22:10                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-18 22:18                                                             ` Al Viro
2016-12-18 22:22                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-18 22:49                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2016-12-21 18:56                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2016-12-21 19:12                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-24  4:00                                                 ` [PATCH 06/12] new helper: add_to_pipe() Al Viro
2016-09-26 13:49                                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2016-09-24  4:01                                                 ` [PATCH 10/12] new iov_iter flavour: pipe-backed Al Viro
2016-09-29 20:53                                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2016-09-29 22:50                                                     ` Al Viro
2016-09-30  7:30                                                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2016-10-03  3:34                                                         ` [RFC] O_DIRECT vs EFAULT (was Re: [PATCH 10/12] new iov_iter flavour: pipe-backed) Al Viro
2016-10-03 17:07                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-03 18:54                                                             ` Al Viro
2016-09-24  4:01                                                 ` [PATCH 11/12] switch generic_file_splice_read() to use of ->read_iter() Al Viro
2016-09-24  4:02                                                 ` [PATCH 12/12] switch default_file_splice_read() to use of pipe-backed iov_iter Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:03                                         ` [PATCH 05/11] skb_splice_bits(): get rid of callback Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:04                                         ` [PATCH 06/11] new helper: add_to_pipe() Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:04                                         ` [PATCH 07/11] fuse_dev_splice_read(): switch to add_to_pipe() Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:06                                         ` [PATCH 08/11] cifs: don't use memcpy() to copy struct iov_iter Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:08                                         ` [PATCH 09/11] fuse_ioctl_copy_user(): don't open-code copy_page_{to,from}_iter() Al Viro
2016-09-26  9:31                                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2016-09-23 19:09                                         ` [PATCH 10/11] new iov_iter flavour: pipe-backed Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:10                                         ` [PATCH 11/11] switch generic_file_splice_read() to use of ->read_iter() Al Viro
2016-09-30 13:32                                         ` [RFC][CFT] splice_read reworked CAI Qian
2016-09-30 17:42                                           ` CAI Qian
2016-09-30 18:33                                             ` CAI Qian
2016-10-03  1:37                                               ` Al Viro
2016-10-03 17:49                                                 ` CAI Qian
2016-10-04 17:39                                                   ` local DoS - systemd hang or timeout (WAS: Re: [RFC][CFT] splice_read reworked) CAI Qian
2016-10-04 21:42                                                     ` tj
2016-10-05 14:09                                                       ` CAI Qian
2016-10-05 15:30                                                         ` tj
2016-10-05 15:54                                                           ` CAI Qian
2016-10-05 18:57                                                             ` CAI Qian
2016-10-05 20:05                                                               ` Al Viro
2016-10-06 12:20                                                                 ` CAI Qian
2016-10-06 12:25                                                                   ` CAI Qian
2016-10-06 16:11                                                                     ` CAI Qian
2016-10-06 17:00                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-06 18:12                                                                         ` CAI Qian
2016-10-07  9:57                                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-07 15:25                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-07  7:08                                                                     ` Jan Kara
2016-10-07 14:43                                                                       ` CAI Qian
2016-10-07 15:27                                                                         ` CAI Qian
2016-10-07 18:56                                                                           ` CAI Qian
2016-10-09 21:54                                                                             ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-10 14:10                                                                               ` CAI Qian
2016-10-10 20:14                                                                                 ` CAI Qian
2016-10-10 21:57                                                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-12 19:50                                                                                   ` [bisected] " CAI Qian
2016-10-12 20:59                                                                                     ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-13 16:25                                                                                       ` CAI Qian
2016-10-13 20:49                                                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-13 20:56                                                                                           ` CAI Qian
2016-10-09 21:51                                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-07  9:27                                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-03  1:42                                             ` [RFC][CFT] splice_read reworked Al Viro
2016-10-03 14:06                                               ` CAI Qian
2016-10-03 15:20                                                 ` CAI Qian
2016-10-03 21:12                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-04 13:57                                                     ` CAI Qian
2016-10-03 20:32                                                 ` CAI Qian
2016-10-03 20:35                                                   ` Al Viro
2016-10-04 13:29                                                     ` CAI Qian
2016-10-04 14:28                                                       ` Al Viro
2016-10-04 16:21                                                         ` CAI Qian
2016-10-04 20:12                                                           ` Al Viro
2016-10-05 14:30                                                             ` CAI Qian
2016-10-05 16:07                                                               ` Al Viro
2016-09-09  2:31                   ` xfs_file_splice_read: possible circular locking dependency detected Al Viro
2016-09-09  2:39                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-09  2:26                 ` Al Viro
2016-09-09  2:19               ` Al Viro
2016-09-08 18:01       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-08 20:39         ` CAI Qian
2016-09-08 21:19           ` Dave Chinner
2016-09-08 21:30             ` Al Viro

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