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From: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, CAI Qian <caiqian@redhat.com>,
	linux-xfs <linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	xfs@oss.sgi.com, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Subject: Re: xfs_file_splice_read: possible circular locking dependency detected
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 13:39:25 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160914133925.2fba4629@roar.ozlabs.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160914031648.GB2356@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 04:16:48 +0100
Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> wrote:

> [Jens and Nick Cc'd]
> 
> On Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 07:06:29PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> > I think you'd be better off with just a really small on-stack case
> > (like maybe 2-3 entries), and just allocate anything bigger
> > dynamically. Or you could even see how bad it is if you just
> > force-limit it to max 4 entries or something like that and just do
> > partial writes.  
> 
> Umm...  Right now it tries to allocate as much as the output pipe could
> possibly hold.  With default being 16 buffers, you'll end up with doing
> dynamic allocation in all cases (it doesn't even look at the amount of
> data we want to transfer).
> 
> The situation with splice_pipe_desc looks very odd:
> 
> 	* all but one instance are on stack frames of some ->splice_read()
> or something called by it (exception is in vmsplice)
> 
> 	* all but one instance (a different one - see below) go through
> splice_grow_spd / splice_to_pipe / splice_shrink_spd sequence and
> nothing else sees them.  The exception is skb_splice_bits() and there we
> have MAX_SKB_FRAGS for size, don't bother with grow/shrink and the only
> thing done to that spd is splice_to_pipe() (from the callback passed to
> skb_splice_bits()).
> 
> 	* only one ->splice_read() instance does _not_ create
> splice_pipe_descriptor.  It's fuse_dev_splice_read(), and it pays for that
> by open-coding splice_to_pipe().  The only reason for open-coding is that
> we don't have a "stronger SPLICE_F_NONBLOCK" that would fail if the data
> wouldn't fit.  SPLICE_F_NONBLOCK stuffs as much as possible and buggers off
> without waiting, fuse_dev_splice_read() wants all or nothing (and no waiting).
> 
> 	* incidentally, we *can't* add new flags - splice(2)/tee(2)/vmsplice(2)
> quietly ignore all bits they do not recognize.  In fact, splice(2) ends up
> passing them (unsanitized) to ->splice_read and ->splice_write instances.
> 
> 	* for splice(2) the IO size is limited by nominal capacity of output
> pipe.  Looks fairly arbitrary (the limit is the same whether the pipe is
> full or empty), but I wouldn't be surprised if userland programmers would
> get unhappy if they have to take more iterations through their loops.
> 
> 	* the other caller of ->splice_read() is splice_direct_to_actor() and
> that can be called on a fairly deep stack.  However, there we loop ourselves
> and smaller chunk size is not a problem.
> 
> 	* in case of skb_splice_bits(), we probably want a grow/shrink pair
> as well, with well below MAX_SKB_FRAGS for a default - what's the typical
> number of fragments per skb?
> 
> > So feel free to try maxing out using only a small handful of
> > pipe_buffer entries. Returning partial IO from splice() is fine.  
> 
> 	Are you sure that nobody's growing the output pipe buffer before
> doing splice() into it as a way to reduce the amount of iterations?
> 
> 	FWIW, I would love to replace these array of page * + array of
> <offset,len,private> triples with array of pipe_buffer; for one thing,
> this ridiculous ->sbd_release() goes away (we simply call ->ops->release()
> on all unwanted buffers), which gets rid of wonders like
> static void buffer_spd_release(struct splice_pipe_desc *spd, unsigned int i)
> {
>         struct buffer_ref *ref =
>                 (struct buffer_ref *)spd->partial[i].private;
> 
>         if (--ref->ref)
>                 return;
> 
>         ring_buffer_free_read_page(ref->buffer, ref->page);
>         kfree(ref);
>         spd->partial[i].private = 0;
> }
> static void buffer_pipe_buf_release(struct pipe_inode_info *pipe,
>                                     struct pipe_buffer *buf)
> {
>         struct buffer_ref *ref = (struct buffer_ref *)buf->private;
> 
>         if (--ref->ref)
>                 return;
> 
>         ring_buffer_free_read_page(ref->buffer, ref->page);
>         kfree(ref);
>         buf->private = 0;
> }
> 
> pairs that need to be kept in sync, etc.
> 
> One inconvenience created by that is stuff like
>         spd.nr_pages = find_get_pages_contig(mapping, index, nr_pages, spd.pages);
> in there; granted, this one will go away with __generic_file_splice_read(),
> but e.g. get_iovec_page_array() is using get_user_pages_fast(), which wants
> to put pages next to each other.  That one is from vmsplice_to_pipe() guts,
> and I've no idea what the normal use patterns are.  OTOH, how much overhead
> would we get from repeated calls of get_user_pages_fast() for e.g. 16 pages
> or so, compared to larger chunks?  It is on a shallow stack, so it's not
> as if we couldn't afford a 16-element array of struct page * in there...

Should not be so bad, but I don't have hard numbers for you. PAGEVEC_SIZE
is 14, and that's conceptually rather similar operation (walk radix tree;
grab pages). OTOH many archs are heavier and do locking and vmas walking etc.

Documentation/features/vm/pte_special/arch-support.txt

But even for those, at 16 entries, the bulk of the cost *should* be hitting
struct page cachelines and refcounting. The rest should mostly stay in cache.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-09-14  3:49 UTC|newest]

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     [not found] ` <1832555471.1341372.1472835736236.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com>
2016-09-03  0:39   ` xfs_file_splice_read: possible circular locking dependency detected Dave Chinner
2016-09-03  0:57     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-03  1:45       ` Al Viro
2016-09-06 23:59         ` Dave Chinner
2016-09-08 20:35           ` Al Viro
2016-09-06 21:53     ` CAI Qian
2016-09-06 23:34       ` Dave Chinner
2016-09-08 15:29     ` CAI Qian
2016-09-08 17:56       ` Al Viro
2016-09-08 18:12         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-08 18:18           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-08 20:44           ` Al Viro
2016-09-08 20:57             ` Al Viro
2016-09-08 21:23             ` Al Viro
2016-09-08 21:38           ` Dave Chinner
2016-09-08 23:55             ` Al Viro
2016-09-09  1:53               ` Dave Chinner
2016-09-09  2:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-09  2:26                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-09  2:34                     ` Al Viro
2016-09-09  2:50                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-09 22:19                         ` Al Viro
2016-09-10  2:06                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-14  3:16                             ` Al Viro
2016-09-14  3:39                               ` Nicholas Piggin [this message]
2016-09-14  4:01                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-18  5:33                                 ` Al Viro
2016-09-19  3:08                                   ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-19  6:11                                     ` Al Viro
2016-09-19  7:26                                       ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-14  3:49                               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-14  4:26                                 ` Al Viro
2016-09-17  8:20                                   ` Al Viro
2016-09-17 19:00                                     ` Al Viro
2016-09-17 20:15                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-23 19:00                                       ` [RFC][CFT] splice_read reworked Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:01                                         ` [PATCH 01/11] fix memory leaks in tracing_buffers_splice_read() Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:02                                         ` [PATCH 02/11] splice_to_pipe(): don't open-code wakeup_pipe_readers() Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:02                                         ` [PATCH 03/11] splice: switch get_iovec_page_array() to iov_iter Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:03                                         ` [PATCH 04/11] splice: lift pipe_lock out of splice_to_pipe() Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:45                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-23 20:10                                             ` Al Viro
2016-09-23 20:36                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-24  3:59                                                 ` Al Viro
2016-09-24 17:29                                                   ` Al Viro
2016-09-27 15:38                                                     ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-27 15:53                                                     ` Chuck Lever
2016-09-24  3:59                                                 ` [PATCH 04/12] " Al Viro
2016-09-26 13:35                                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2016-09-27  4:14                                                     ` Al Viro
2016-12-17 19:54                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2016-12-18 19:28                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-18 19:57                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2016-12-18 20:12                                                       ` Al Viro
2016-12-18 20:30                                                         ` Al Viro
2016-12-18 22:10                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-18 22:18                                                             ` Al Viro
2016-12-18 22:22                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-18 22:49                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2016-12-21 18:56                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2016-12-21 19:12                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-24  4:00                                                 ` [PATCH 06/12] new helper: add_to_pipe() Al Viro
2016-09-26 13:49                                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2016-09-24  4:01                                                 ` [PATCH 10/12] new iov_iter flavour: pipe-backed Al Viro
2016-09-29 20:53                                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2016-09-29 22:50                                                     ` Al Viro
2016-09-30  7:30                                                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2016-10-03  3:34                                                         ` [RFC] O_DIRECT vs EFAULT (was Re: [PATCH 10/12] new iov_iter flavour: pipe-backed) Al Viro
2016-10-03 17:07                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-03 18:54                                                             ` Al Viro
2016-09-24  4:01                                                 ` [PATCH 11/12] switch generic_file_splice_read() to use of ->read_iter() Al Viro
2016-09-24  4:02                                                 ` [PATCH 12/12] switch default_file_splice_read() to use of pipe-backed iov_iter Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:03                                         ` [PATCH 05/11] skb_splice_bits(): get rid of callback Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:04                                         ` [PATCH 06/11] new helper: add_to_pipe() Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:04                                         ` [PATCH 07/11] fuse_dev_splice_read(): switch to add_to_pipe() Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:06                                         ` [PATCH 08/11] cifs: don't use memcpy() to copy struct iov_iter Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:08                                         ` [PATCH 09/11] fuse_ioctl_copy_user(): don't open-code copy_page_{to,from}_iter() Al Viro
2016-09-26  9:31                                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2016-09-23 19:09                                         ` [PATCH 10/11] new iov_iter flavour: pipe-backed Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:10                                         ` [PATCH 11/11] switch generic_file_splice_read() to use of ->read_iter() Al Viro
2016-09-30 13:32                                         ` [RFC][CFT] splice_read reworked CAI Qian
2016-09-30 17:42                                           ` CAI Qian
2016-09-30 18:33                                             ` CAI Qian
2016-10-03  1:37                                               ` Al Viro
2016-10-03 17:49                                                 ` CAI Qian
2016-10-04 17:39                                                   ` local DoS - systemd hang or timeout (WAS: Re: [RFC][CFT] splice_read reworked) CAI Qian
2016-10-04 21:42                                                     ` tj
2016-10-05 14:09                                                       ` CAI Qian
2016-10-05 15:30                                                         ` tj
2016-10-05 15:54                                                           ` CAI Qian
2016-10-05 18:57                                                             ` CAI Qian
2016-10-05 20:05                                                               ` Al Viro
2016-10-06 12:20                                                                 ` CAI Qian
2016-10-06 12:25                                                                   ` CAI Qian
2016-10-06 16:11                                                                     ` CAI Qian
2016-10-06 17:00                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-06 18:12                                                                         ` CAI Qian
2016-10-07  9:57                                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-07 15:25                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-07  7:08                                                                     ` Jan Kara
2016-10-07 14:43                                                                       ` CAI Qian
2016-10-07 15:27                                                                         ` CAI Qian
2016-10-07 18:56                                                                           ` CAI Qian
2016-10-09 21:54                                                                             ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-10 14:10                                                                               ` CAI Qian
2016-10-10 20:14                                                                                 ` CAI Qian
2016-10-10 21:57                                                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-12 19:50                                                                                   ` [bisected] " CAI Qian
2016-10-12 20:59                                                                                     ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-13 16:25                                                                                       ` CAI Qian
2016-10-13 20:49                                                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-13 20:56                                                                                           ` CAI Qian
2016-10-09 21:51                                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-07  9:27                                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-03  1:42                                             ` [RFC][CFT] splice_read reworked Al Viro
2016-10-03 14:06                                               ` CAI Qian
2016-10-03 15:20                                                 ` CAI Qian
2016-10-03 21:12                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-04 13:57                                                     ` CAI Qian
2016-10-03 20:32                                                 ` CAI Qian
2016-10-03 20:35                                                   ` Al Viro
2016-10-04 13:29                                                     ` CAI Qian
2016-10-04 14:28                                                       ` Al Viro
2016-10-04 16:21                                                         ` CAI Qian
2016-10-04 20:12                                                           ` Al Viro
2016-10-05 14:30                                                             ` CAI Qian
2016-10-05 16:07                                                               ` Al Viro
2016-09-09  2:31                   ` xfs_file_splice_read: possible circular locking dependency detected Al Viro
2016-09-09  2:39                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-09  2:26                 ` Al Viro
2016-09-09  2:19               ` Al Viro
2016-09-08 18:01       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-08 20:39         ` CAI Qian
2016-09-08 21:19           ` Dave Chinner
2016-09-08 21:30             ` Al Viro

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