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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Albert Herranz <albert_herranz@yahoo.es>
Cc: linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 04/19] powerpc: wii: device tree
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:01:05 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1259269265.18084.14.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B0E9C5F.50304@yahoo.es>


> > Good point. I can't even guarantee that the kernel will work reliably
> > with nobats :-) At least you really want the kernel .text to be fully
> > covered by an IBAT.
> > 
> 
> It works with nobats.

But does it work -reliably- ? :-)

I haven't looked at that for years, but we used to have a subtle issue
if you happen to take a hash miss on the kernel text or data in the
wrong time, such as when SRR0/SRR1 are modified and before a subsequent
rfi. This is very very hard to trigger and maybe impossible without SMP
but to keep in mind.

Paulus added some code ages ago to close most of these by using the
MSR:RI bit so that the hash code could detect the situation and branch
to some "recovery" code, but from memory, while that dealt with missing
D-BATs, we still had a potential window of problem if the kernel text
itself wasn't entirely covered.

Any ways, not a big deal right now, as I said, we really want the BATs
for performances anyways, so we should probably just add some kind of
hack in mmu_mapin_ram() for the time being.

> I must say that all the patches posted (and the device drivers, which haven't
> been posted yet) are tested and working code.

That was my impression too, but in this case, I'm talking about a
potential very hard to hit problem that you may well have never managed
to actually trigger.

> There you can find the hardware interface that supports the IPC mechanism.
> It is made up of a pair of registers to pass data between the processors and a
> pair of control/flags registers.
> The hardware can interrupt the PowerPC side when there is data available for it.

Ok. So the right way to do that would be to have a node purely
representing the HW IPC, unrelated to whatever is running on the
secondary processor.

However, it's ok to have -below- that node, a set of device nodes or a
node with properties or whatever representing the FW in there and the
function it exposes.

That can be discussed later tho. I'm not that keen on having those info
be in the .dts coming with the kernel since those functions essentially
depend on what FW is loaded on the aux. processor.

What might do however is to have a way for that FW itself to provide you
with the nodes and properties for the functions it provides :-) Then you
can have the boot wrapper or the kernel platform init code use some well
defined (and as stable as possible) IPC API to identify the FW there and
expose all that stuff.

Of course that wouldn't work with FW we don't have control on. Can Linux
run on the wii with the original N. FW on the aux. processor ? Can we
detect what is running there ? Do we care ?

> It is what Nintendo calls the "Serial Interface" (SI) which is a proprietary
> serial hardware to drive the gamepads (and a custom keyboard too, once available
> for an RPG game).

So I would give it a different name than "serial" then. Make it gpsi
maybe ? (game pad serial interface ?) :-) Or invent something else...

Cheers,
Ben.

> > Cheers,
> > Ben.
> > 
> 
> Thanks,
> Albert

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-26 21:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 181+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-22 22:01 [RFC PATCH 00/19] powerpc: nintendo gamecube and wii support Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01 ` [RFC PATCH 01/19] powerpc: gamecube/wii: usbgecko bootwrapper console support Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01   ` [RFC PATCH 02/19] powerpc: gamecube: device tree Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01     ` [RFC PATCH 03/19] powerpc: gamecube: bootwrapper bits Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01       ` [RFC PATCH 04/19] powerpc: wii: device tree Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01         ` [RFC PATCH 05/19] powerpc: wii: bootwrapper bits Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01           ` [RFC PATCH 06/19] powerpc: gamecube/wii: introduce GAMECUBE_COMMON Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01             ` [RFC PATCH 07/19] powerpc: gamecube/wii: declare as non-coherent platforms Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01               ` [RFC PATCH 08/19] powerpc: gamecube/wii: do not include PCI support Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01                 ` [RFC PATCH 09/19] powerpc: gamecube/wii: udbg support for usbgecko Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01                   ` [RFC PATCH 10/19] powerpc: gamecube/wii: early debugging using usbgecko Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01                     ` [RFC PATCH 11/19] powerpc: gamecube/wii: flipper interrupt controller support Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01                       ` [RFC PATCH 12/19] powerpc: gamecube: platform support Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01                         ` [RFC PATCH 13/19] powerpc: gamecube: default config Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01                           ` [RFC PATCH 14/19] powerpc: allow ioremap within reserved fake ram regions Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01                             ` [RFC PATCH 15/19] powerpc: broadway processor support Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01                               ` [RFC PATCH 16/19] powerpc: wii: hollywood interrupt controller support Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01                                 ` [RFC PATCH 17/19] powerpc: wii: bootmii starlet 'mini' firmware support Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01                                   ` [RFC PATCH 18/19] powerpc: wii: platform support Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 22:01                                     ` [RFC PATCH 19/19] powerpc: wii: default config Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 23:45                                     ` [RFC PATCH 18/19] powerpc: wii: platform support Grant Likely
2009-11-23 20:21                                       ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-24 22:24                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-25 17:58                                       ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26 22:05                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-22 22:48                                   ` [RFC PATCH 17/19] powerpc: wii: bootmii starlet 'mini' firmware support Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-23 19:21                                     ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-24 22:13                                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-25 17:47                                     ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26 22:00                                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-22 23:40                                 ` [RFC PATCH 16/19] powerpc: wii: hollywood interrupt controller support Grant Likely
2009-11-23 20:18                                   ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-24 21:54                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-25 17:27                                   ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26  5:23                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 15:42                                   ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26 21:13                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 23:03                                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-22 23:38                               ` [RFC PATCH 15/19] powerpc: broadway processor support Grant Likely
2009-11-23 20:16                                 ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 23:36                             ` [RFC PATCH 14/19] powerpc: allow ioremap within reserved fake ram regions Grant Likely
2009-11-23 20:16                               ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-23 20:41                                 ` Grant Likely
2009-11-23 23:45                                 ` Michael Ellerman
2009-11-24 17:09                                   ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-25  0:38                                     ` Michael Ellerman
2009-11-26  5:22                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 15:35                                       ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26 21:13                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-22 23:34                         ` [RFC PATCH 12/19] powerpc: gamecube: platform support Grant Likely
2009-11-23 20:02                           ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-24 21:39                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-25 17:24                           ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26 21:53                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-26 22:07                               ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-27  0:09                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-27 21:35                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-28  3:56                                     ` Grant Likely
2009-11-28  3:56                                       ` Grant Likely
2009-11-22 23:28                       ` [RFC PATCH 11/19] powerpc: gamecube/wii: flipper interrupt controller support Grant Likely
2009-11-23 19:59                         ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26  5:18                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 15:33                           ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26 21:12                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 23:00                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-26 23:38                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-24 21:30                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-25 17:13                         ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26 21:52                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-26 22:05                             ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-27  0:06                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-27 12:17                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-27 17:27                                   ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-27 21:34                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-28  2:04                                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-28  2:26                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26  5:18                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 15:30                         ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26 21:10                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-22 22:27                     ` [RFC PATCH 10/19] powerpc: gamecube/wii: early debugging using usbgecko Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-23 19:10                       ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-23 22:13                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-26  5:14                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 22:54                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-26 23:27                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-24  0:54                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-24 18:19                       ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-22 23:22                   ` [RFC PATCH 09/19] powerpc: gamecube/wii: udbg support for usbgecko Grant Likely
2009-11-24  0:49                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-24 18:08                     ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-24 21:19                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-25 17:07                         ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26  5:12                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 15:28                     ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26 21:02                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 23:12                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-22 23:21                 ` [RFC PATCH 08/19] powerpc: gamecube/wii: do not include PCI support Grant Likely
2009-11-26  5:10                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-22 22:20               ` [RFC PATCH 07/19] powerpc: gamecube/wii: declare as non-coherent platforms Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-23 19:06                 ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26  5:09               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-22 23:20             ` [RFC PATCH 06/19] powerpc: gamecube/wii: introduce GAMECUBE_COMMON Grant Likely
2009-11-23 19:56               ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-24  0:35             ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-24 18:03               ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-24 21:15                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-24 22:33                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-25 17:06                   ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26  5:08                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 15:22                   ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-27 12:12                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-22 23:19           ` [RFC PATCH 05/19] powerpc: wii: bootwrapper bits Grant Likely
2009-11-24  0:33           ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-24 17:56             ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-24 21:13               ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-22 23:18         ` [RFC PATCH 04/19] powerpc: wii: device tree Grant Likely
2009-11-23 19:54           ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-23 20:36             ` Grant Likely
2009-11-23 21:55               ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-25 16:57             ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-25 18:09               ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-25 17:49         ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-25 18:34           ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26  4:58             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 15:19               ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26  4:51           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 15:18             ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26 21:01               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2009-11-26 21:38                 ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26 22:37                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-27  0:16                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-27  0:15                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 23:25                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-26 22:50             ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-26 23:02               ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26  4:45         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 15:09           ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26 20:48             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 21:20               ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-26 23:17               ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-26 22:45           ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-22 23:11       ` [RFC PATCH 03/19] powerpc: gamecube: bootwrapper bits Grant Likely
2009-11-24  0:08       ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-24 17:38         ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-24 21:00           ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-24 23:45             ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-25 16:53               ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-26  4:36             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26  8:17               ` Gabriel Paubert
2009-11-26  8:46                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 23:06                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-26  4:35           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 22:23             ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-22 23:02     ` [RFC PATCH 02/19] powerpc: gamecube: device tree Grant Likely
2009-11-23 19:44       ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-23 20:19         ` Grant Likely
2009-11-23 20:25           ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-24 22:53           ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-26  4:23           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-27 12:09             ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-24 22:36       ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-26  4:23         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 22:15           ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-26 22:38             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-27  0:18               ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-26  4:21       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26  4:38         ` Grant Likely
2009-11-26  5:29           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26  5:51             ` Grant Likely
2009-11-26 22:30         ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-25 18:00     ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-25 18:43       ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-27 12:07         ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-26  4:27       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-26 22:19         ` Segher Boessenkool
2009-11-22 22:50   ` [RFC PATCH 01/19] powerpc: gamecube/wii: usbgecko bootwrapper console support Grant Likely
2009-11-26  4:12   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-22 22:48 ` [RFC PATCH 00/19] powerpc: nintendo gamecube and wii support Grant Likely
2009-11-22 22:49 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-23 19:22   ` Albert Herranz
2009-11-23  5:13 ` Wolfram Sang

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