From: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
David Hildenbrand <dahi@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, paulus@samba.org,
schwidefsky@de.ibm.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, mingo@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/2] Reenable might_sleep() checks for might_fault() when atomic
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 17:07:13 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5475FAB1.1000802@de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141126154717.GB10568@redhat.com>
Am 26.11.2014 um 16:47 schrieb Michael S. Tsirkin:
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 04:32:07PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 05:17:29PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:05:04AM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>>>> What's the path you are trying to debug?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, we had a problem where we held a spin_lock and called
>>>>> copy_(from|to)_user(). We experienced very random deadlocks that took some guy
>>>>> almost a week to debug. The simple might_sleep() check would have showed this
>>>>> error immediately.
>>>>
>>>> This must have been a very old kernel.
>>>> A modern kernel will return an error from copy_to_user.
>>>> Which is really the point of the patch you are trying to revert.
>>>
>>> That's assuming you disabled preemption. If you didn't, and take
>>> a spinlock, you have deadlocks even without userspace access.
>>>
>>
>> (Thanks for your resent, my first email was sent directly to you ... grml)
>>
>> This is what happened on our side (very recent kernel):
>>
>> spin_lock(&lock)
>> copy_to_user(...)
>> spin_unlock(&lock)
>
> That's a deadlock even without copy_to_user - it's
> enough for the thread to be preempted and another one
> to try taking the lock.
Huh? With CONFIG_PREEMPT spin_lock will disable preemption. (we had preempt = server anyway).
But please: One step back. The problem is not the good path. The problem is that we lost a debugging aid for a known to be broken case. In other words: Our code had a bug. Older kernels detected that kind of bug. With your change we no longer saw the sleeping while atomic. Thats it. See my other mail.
Christian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-11-26 16:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-11-25 11:43 [RFC 0/2] Reenable might_sleep() checks for might_fault() when atomic David Hildenbrand
2014-11-25 11:43 ` [RFC 1/2] powerpc/fsl-pci: atomic get_user when pagefault_disabled David Hildenbrand
2015-01-30 5:15 ` [RFC,1/2] " Scott Wood
2015-01-30 7:58 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-25 11:43 ` [RFC 2/2] mm, sched: trigger might_sleep() in might_fault() when atomic David Hildenbrand
2014-11-26 7:02 ` [RFC 0/2] Reenable might_sleep() checks for " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-26 10:05 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-26 15:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-26 15:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-26 15:32 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-26 15:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-26 16:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-26 16:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-26 16:30 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-26 16:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-26 16:07 ` Christian Borntraeger [this message]
2014-11-26 16:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-26 16:51 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-26 17:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-26 17:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-27 7:09 ` Heiko Carstens
2014-11-27 7:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-27 8:03 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-27 12:04 ` Heiko Carstens
2014-11-27 12:08 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-27 15:07 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-11-27 15:19 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-27 15:37 ` David Laight
2014-11-27 15:45 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-27 16:27 ` David Laight
2014-11-27 16:49 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-27 21:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-11-28 7:34 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-26 15:30 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-26 15:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-26 16:02 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-26 15:22 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-27 17:10 ` [PATCH RFC " David Hildenbrand
2014-11-27 17:10 ` [PATCH RFC 1/2] preempt: track pagefault_disable() calls in the preempt counter David Hildenbrand
2014-11-27 17:10 ` [PATCH RFC 2/2] mm, sched: trigger might_sleep() in might_fault() when pagefaults are disabled David Hildenbrand
2014-11-27 17:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-27 17:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-27 18:08 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-27 18:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
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