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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 13/18] uaccess: generalize access_ok()
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 08:16:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK8P3a2r3zB2G7CjCdXB6cDx1Q7jdOnA8YcCHM+3Q3CybnZ=hQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVOvYPN4_6hS8wpm2v9bGZupZ5x4=vZAseG57OUgvLGfw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 8:15 PM Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 5:19 AM Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
> >
> > There are many different ways that access_ok() is defined across
> > architectures, but in the end, they all just compare against the
> > user_addr_max() value or they accept anything.
> >
> > Provide one definition that works for most architectures, checking
> > against TASK_SIZE_MAX for user processes or skipping the check inside
> > of uaccess_kernel() sections.
> >
> > For architectures without CONFIG_SET_FS(), this should be the fastest
> > check, as it comes down to a single comparison of a pointer against a
> > compile-time constant, while the architecture specific versions tend to
> > do something more complex for historic reasons or get something wrong.
>
> This isn't actually optimal.  On x86, TASK_SIZE_MAX is a bizarre
> constant that has a very specific value to work around a bug^Wdesign
> error^Wfeature of Intel CPUs.  TASK_SIZE_MAX is the maximum address at
> which userspace is permitted to allocate memory, but there is a huge
> gap between user and kernel addresses, and any value in the gap would
> be adequate for the comparison.  If we wanted to optimize this, simply
> checking the high bit (which x86 can do without any immediate
> constants at all) would be sufficient and, for an access known to fit
> in 32 bits, one could get even fancier and completely ignore the size
> of the access.  (For accesses not known to fit in 32 bits, I suspect
> some creativity could still come up with a construction that's
> substantially faster than the one in your patch.)
>
> So there's plenty of room for optimization here.
>
> (This is not in any respect a NAK -- it's just an observation that
> this could be even better.)

Thank you for taking a look!

As you can see in the patch that changes the algorithm on x86 [1],
it was already using TASK_SIZE_MAX as the limit, only the order
in which the comparison is done, hopefully leading to better code
already. I have looked at trivial examples on x86 that showed an
improvement for constant sizes, but only looked at arm64 in detail
for the overall result.

It may be worth checking if using LONG_MAX as the limit produces
better code, but it's probably best to do the optimization in the
common code in a portable way to keep it from diverging again.

       Arnd

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220216131332.1489939-7-arnd@kernel.org/

  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-18  7:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-16 13:13 [PATCH v2 00/18] clean up asm/uaccess.h, kill set_fs for good Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-16 13:13 ` [PATCH v2 01/18] uaccess: fix integer overflow on access_ok() Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-16 13:13 ` [PATCH v2 02/18] uaccess: fix nios2 and microblaze get_user_8() Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-16 13:35   ` David Laight
2022-02-18  6:25   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-02-25  4:28   ` Dinh Nguyen
2022-02-16 13:13 ` [PATCH v2 03/18] nds32: fix access_ok() checks in get/put_user Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-18  6:25   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-02-16 13:13 ` [PATCH v2 04/18] sparc64: add __{get,put}_kernel_nocheck() Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-16 13:13 ` [PATCH v2 05/18] x86: remove __range_not_ok() Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-18  6:28   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-02-18  7:29     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-18 15:45     ` David Laight
2022-02-16 13:13 ` [PATCH v2 06/18] x86: use more conventional access_ok() definition Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-18  6:29   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-02-16 13:13 ` [PATCH v2 07/18] nios2: drop access_ok() check from __put_user() Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-18  6:29   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-02-23 23:30   ` Dinh Nguyen
2022-02-24  7:05     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-16 13:13 ` [PATCH v2 08/18] uaccess: add generic __{get,put}_kernel_nofault Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-18  6:30   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-02-18  8:55   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-02-16 13:13 ` [PATCH v2 09/18] mips: use simpler access_ok() Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-21 13:24   ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2022-02-21 14:31     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-21 15:21       ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2022-02-22 16:36       ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2022-02-23 20:05     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-23  7:41   ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2022-02-23  9:26     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-16 13:13 ` [PATCH v2 10/18] m68k: fix access_ok for coldfire Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-18  6:30   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-02-18  9:00   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-02-18  9:24     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-16 13:13 ` [PATCH v2 11/18] arm64: simplify access_ok() Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-16 13:13 ` [PATCH v2 12/18] uaccess: fix type mismatch warnings from access_ok() Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-18  6:31   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-02-25  4:30   ` Dinh Nguyen
2022-02-16 13:13 ` [PATCH v2 13/18] uaccess: generalize access_ok() Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-17  7:52   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-17 19:15   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-02-18  7:16     ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2022-02-18  9:30     ` David Laight
2022-02-18 18:07       ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-02-18  6:34   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-02-18  7:23     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-18  9:04   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-02-24  8:29   ` Stafford Horne
2022-02-24  8:41     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-25  4:31   ` Dinh Nguyen
2022-02-16 13:13 ` [PATCH v2 14/18] lib/test_lockup: fix kernel pointer check for separate address spaces Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-18  6:35   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-02-18  7:15     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-16 13:13 ` [PATCH v2 15/18] sparc64: remove CONFIG_SET_FS support Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-16 18:34   ` Sam Ravnborg
2022-02-16 18:41     ` Sam Ravnborg
2022-02-16 22:01       ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-16 13:13 ` [PATCH v2 16/18] sh: " Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-18  6:36   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-02-16 13:13 ` [PATCH v2 17/18] ia64: " Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-16 13:13 ` [PATCH v2 18/18] uaccess: drop maining CONFIG_SET_FS users Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-16 18:44   ` Sam Ravnborg
2022-02-16 22:02     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-17 22:36   ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-02-18  6:37   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-02-18  7:10     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-18 10:18   ` Sergey Matyukevich
2022-02-24  8:45   ` Stafford Horne
2022-02-25  4:33   ` Dinh Nguyen
2022-02-17  7:20 ` [PATCH v2 00/18] clean up asm/uaccess.h, kill set_fs for good Christophe Leroy
2022-02-17  7:49   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-18  2:21     ` Al Viro
2022-02-18  9:20       ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-18  1:50   ` Al Viro
2022-02-18 10:01     ` Christophe Leroy
2022-02-17  8:13 ` Arnd Bergmann

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