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From: Ian Kumlien <pomac@vapor.com>
To: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
Cc: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
	Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Robert Love <rml@tech9.net>
Subject: Re: [SHED] Questions.
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 19:22:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1062523374.5171.321.camel@big.pomac.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3F547A4B.7060309@cyberone.com.au>

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On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 13:08, Nick Piggin wrote:
> Ian Kumlien wrote:
> >You could say that the problem the current scheduler has is that it's
> >not allowed to starve anything, thats why we add stuff to give
> >interactive bonus. But if it *was* allowed to starve but gave bonus to
> >the starved processes that would make most of the interactive detection
> >useless (yes, we still need the "didn't use their timeslice" bit and
> >with a timeslice that gets smaller the higher the pri we'd automagically
> >balance most processes).
> >
> >(As usual my assumptions might be really wrong...)
> 
> First off, no general purpose scheduler should allow starvation depending
> on your definition. The interactivity stuff, and even dynamic priorities
> allow short term unfairness.

When you reach a certain load you *have to* allow starvation. Ie, you
can't work around it... All i say is that if we have a more relaxed
method we might benefit from it.

> Hmm... what else? The "didn't use their timeslice" thing is not
> applicable: a new timeslice doesn't get handed out until the previous one
> is used. The priorities thing is done based on how much sleeping the
> process does.

And not the amount of cpu consumed by the app / go?

> Its funny, everyone seems to have very similar ideas that they are
> expressing by describing different implementations they have in mind.

Yes =), I'm mailing Con directly now as well, to save some unwanted
traffic here =). I just hope that we'll reach a agreement somewhere
about whats sane or not...

Mail me if you're interested as well.

-- 
Ian Kumlien <pomac@vapor.com>

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  reply	other threads:[~2003-09-02 18:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-08-31 10:07 [SHED] Questions Ian Kumlien
2003-08-31 10:17 ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-31 10:24   ` Ian Kumlien
2003-08-31 10:41     ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-31 10:46       ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]       ` <1062326980.9959.65.camel@big.pomac.com>
     [not found]         ` <3F51D4A4.4090501@cyberone.com.au>
2003-08-31 11:08           ` Ian Kumlien
2003-08-31 11:31             ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-31 11:43               ` Ian Kumlien
2003-08-31 18:53 ` Robert Love
2003-08-31 19:31   ` Ian Kumlien
2003-08-31 19:51     ` Robert Love
2003-08-31 22:41       ` Ian Kumlien
2003-08-31 23:41         ` Robert Love
2003-09-01  0:00           ` Ian Kumlien
2003-09-01  2:50             ` Con Kolivas
2003-09-01 15:58               ` Antonio Vargas
2003-09-01 22:19               ` Ian Kumlien
2003-09-01  4:03             ` Robert Love
2003-09-01  5:07               ` Con Kolivas
2003-09-01  5:55                 ` Robert Love
2003-09-01 22:24               ` Ian Kumlien
2003-09-01 14:21             ` Antonio Vargas
2003-09-01 19:36               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-09-01 22:49               ` Ian Kumlien
2003-09-01 15:07           ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-01 14:16             ` Antonio Vargas
2003-09-01 23:03             ` Ian Kumlien
2003-09-02  0:04               ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-02  0:23               ` Con Kolivas
2003-09-02 10:25                 ` Ian Kumlien
2003-09-02 11:08                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-02 17:22                     ` Ian Kumlien [this message]
2003-09-02 23:49                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-03 23:02                         ` Ian Kumlien
2003-09-04  1:39                           ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-02 10:44                 ` Wes Janzen

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