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From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
To: Bryan Henderson <hbryan@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, alan <alan@clueserver.org>,
	Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>,
	hpa@zytor.com, Jack Stone <jack@hawkeye.stone.uk.eu.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: Versioning file system
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:27:43 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1182299263.6504.8.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <OF35839FC7.229AE944-ON882572FF.007F2DF8-882572FF.00819E1C@us.ibm.com>

On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 16:35 -0700, Bryan Henderson wrote:
> >We don't need a new special character for every 
> >>  new feature.  We've got one, and it's flexible enough to do what you 
> want, 
> >> as proven by NetApp's extremely successful implementation.
> 
> I don't know NetApp's implementation, but I assume it is more than just a 
> choice of special character.  If you merely start the directory name with 
> a dot, you don't fool anyone but 'ls' and shell wildcard expansion.  (And 
> for some enlightened people like me, you don't even fool ls, because we 
> use the --almost-all option to show the dot files by default, having been 
> burned too many times by invisible files).
> 
> I assume NetApp flags the directory specially so that a POSIX directory 
> read doesn't get it.  I've seen that done elsewhere.

No. The directory is quite visible with a standard 'ls -a'. Instead,
they simply mark it as a separate volume/filesystem: i.e. the fsid
differs when you call stat(). The whole thing ends up acting rather like
our bind mounts.
It means that you avoid all those nasty user issues where people try to
hard link to/from .snapshot directories, rename files across snapshot
boundaries, etc.

Trond


  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-20  0:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-15 22:23 Versioning file system Jack Stone
2007-06-15 22:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-15 22:51   ` alan
2007-06-15 22:59     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-15 23:06       ` alan
2007-06-16  8:11     ` Jack Stone
2007-06-16  9:46       ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-16 10:12         ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-16 13:15           ` Mark Williamson
2007-06-16 19:57             ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-16 16:49           ` Jan Harkes
2007-06-16 20:03             ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-16 19:38               ` Jack Stone
2007-06-16 20:08               ` Alan Cox
2007-06-16 21:25                 ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-16 20:39               ` Jan Harkes
2007-06-16 20:43                 ` Jack Stone
2007-06-16 22:17                 ` Alan Cox
2007-06-17  2:18                   ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-17  2:39                     ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-17 22:11                   ` Dale Amon
2007-06-16 21:06               ` Dale Amon
2007-06-16 11:42         ` Graham Murray
2007-06-16 14:53     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-18  9:45       ` Andreas Dilger
2007-06-18  9:54         ` Jack Stone
2007-06-18 10:13         ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-18 14:01         ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-18 16:16           ` alan
2007-06-18 17:29             ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-18 17:33               ` Jeremy Allison
2007-06-18 20:30                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-18 20:50                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-06-18 17:46               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-04 17:32               ` Erik Mouw
2007-07-04 20:47                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-07-05 17:55                   ` Erik Mouw
2007-07-05 13:57                 ` John Stoffel
2007-07-05 14:23                   ` Chris Mason
2007-07-05 17:57                   ` Erik Mouw
2007-06-18 15:32         ` Chris Mason
2007-06-18 23:18           ` Bron Gondwana
2007-09-29 17:44         ` Sorin Faibish
2007-06-15 22:52 ` Chris Snook
2007-06-16  8:25   ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 18:03     ` Chris Snook
2007-06-19 19:06       ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 20:03         ` Chris Snook
2007-06-19 20:08           ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 20:15             ` Chris Snook
2007-06-19 20:27               ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 20:34             ` John Stoffel
2007-06-19 20:38               ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 20:38               ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-06-19 21:02                 ` John Stoffel
2007-06-19 19:08       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-19 19:12         ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 19:15           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-19 19:22             ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 20:10           ` Chris Snook
2007-06-19 20:14             ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 20:31               ` Chris Snook
2007-06-20  8:34           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-06-19 21:50         ` Alan Cox
2007-06-19 22:07           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-20  8:05             ` Ph. Marek
2007-06-19 20:43       ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-19 22:07         ` david
2007-06-19 22:13           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-19 23:07             ` Jan Harkes
2007-06-19 23:12               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-19 22:21           ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-19 23:35         ` Bryan Henderson
2007-06-20  0:27           ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2007-06-20  5:00             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-20 17:04             ` Bryan Henderson
2007-06-20 17:10               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-20 17:33               ` Chris Snook
2007-06-15 22:57 ` Kok, Auke
2007-06-15 23:01   ` alan
2007-06-16 11:20     ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found] <OFC119F96F.A721E445-ON882572FE.0055140A-882572FE.00571482@us.ibm.com>
2007-06-18 16:37 ` Jack Stone
2007-06-18 16:56   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-18 17:56   ` Bryan Henderson
2007-06-19  3:10     ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-19  7:49       ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19  7:58       ` Bron Gondwana
2007-06-20  2:43         ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-19  9:09       ` Martin Langhoff
2007-06-19 16:52       ` Jakub Narebski
     [not found] <8wst3-3kh-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <8wsCC-3wf-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <8wsW4-3UY-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <8wJal-3KA-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <8xm22-4Ql-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <8xq5G-32l-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <8xs7w-69W-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-06-18 20:54             ` Bodo Eggert
2007-06-18 21:08               ` alan
2007-06-18 21:31                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-18 21:34                   ` Jeremy Allison
2007-06-18 22:10                   ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-18 22:26                     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-18 21:24                       ` Brad Boyer
2007-06-19  3:15                         ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-18 22:34                       ` Jeremy Allison
2007-06-18 22:56                       ` alan
2007-06-19  7:01                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-18 22:48                     ` Jeremy Allison
2007-06-18 23:00                       ` alan
2007-06-19  7:05                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-19 16:52                         ` Jeremy Allison
2007-06-19 16:56                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-18 22:47                   ` alan

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