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From: Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
To: Bryan Henderson <hbryan@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, alan <alan@clueserver.org>,
	hpa@zytor.com, Jack Stone <jack@hawkeye.stone.uk.eu.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: Versioning file system
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:33:42 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <467964F6.6040700@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <OF1BE97403.60074CE1-ON88257300.005C4F4A-88257300.005DC171@us.ibm.com>

Bryan Henderson wrote:
>> The directory is quite visible with a standard 'ls -a'. Instead,
>> they simply mark it as a separate volume/filesystem: i.e. the fsid
>> differs when you call stat(). The whole thing ends up acting rather like
>> our bind mounts.
> 
> Hmm.  So it breaks user space quite a bit.  By break, I mean uses that 
> work with more conventional filesystems stop working if you switch to 
> NetAp.  Most programs that operate on directory trees willingly cross 
> filesystems, right?  Even ones that give you an option, such as GNU cp, 
> don't by default.
> 
> But if the implementation is, as described, wildly successful, that means 
> users are willing to tolerate this level of breakage, so it could be used 
> for versioning too.
> 
> But I think I'd rather see a truly hidden directory for this (visible only 
> when looked up explicitly).

Well, if we're going to have super-secret hidden directories, we might as well 
implement them in a namespace framework.  Somebody is going to want generic 
filesystem namespaces eventually, so having one unified mechanism for doing this 
kind of thing will make it much easier, especially for userspace apps which 
would need to be modified to be aware of them.

Personally, I'm happy with .snapshot and the like.

	-- Chris

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-20 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-15 22:23 Versioning file system Jack Stone
2007-06-15 22:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-15 22:51   ` alan
2007-06-15 22:59     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-15 23:06       ` alan
2007-06-16  8:11     ` Jack Stone
2007-06-16  9:46       ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-16 10:12         ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-16 13:15           ` Mark Williamson
2007-06-16 19:57             ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-16 16:49           ` Jan Harkes
2007-06-16 20:03             ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-16 19:38               ` Jack Stone
2007-06-16 20:08               ` Alan Cox
2007-06-16 21:25                 ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-16 20:39               ` Jan Harkes
2007-06-16 20:43                 ` Jack Stone
2007-06-16 22:17                 ` Alan Cox
2007-06-17  2:18                   ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-17  2:39                     ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-17 22:11                   ` Dale Amon
2007-06-16 21:06               ` Dale Amon
2007-06-16 11:42         ` Graham Murray
2007-06-16 14:53     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-18  9:45       ` Andreas Dilger
2007-06-18  9:54         ` Jack Stone
2007-06-18 10:13         ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-18 14:01         ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-18 16:16           ` alan
2007-06-18 17:29             ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-18 17:33               ` Jeremy Allison
2007-06-18 20:30                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-18 20:50                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-06-18 17:46               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-04 17:32               ` Erik Mouw
2007-07-04 20:47                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-07-05 17:55                   ` Erik Mouw
2007-07-05 13:57                 ` John Stoffel
2007-07-05 14:23                   ` Chris Mason
2007-07-05 17:57                   ` Erik Mouw
2007-06-18 15:32         ` Chris Mason
2007-06-18 23:18           ` Bron Gondwana
2007-09-29 17:44         ` Sorin Faibish
2007-06-15 22:52 ` Chris Snook
2007-06-16  8:25   ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 18:03     ` Chris Snook
2007-06-19 19:06       ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 20:03         ` Chris Snook
2007-06-19 20:08           ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 20:15             ` Chris Snook
2007-06-19 20:27               ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 20:34             ` John Stoffel
2007-06-19 20:38               ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 20:38               ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-06-19 21:02                 ` John Stoffel
2007-06-19 19:08       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-19 19:12         ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 19:15           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-19 19:22             ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 20:10           ` Chris Snook
2007-06-19 20:14             ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 20:31               ` Chris Snook
2007-06-20  8:34           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-06-19 21:50         ` Alan Cox
2007-06-19 22:07           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-20  8:05             ` Ph. Marek
2007-06-19 20:43       ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-19 22:07         ` david
2007-06-19 22:13           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-19 23:07             ` Jan Harkes
2007-06-19 23:12               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-19 22:21           ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-19 23:35         ` Bryan Henderson
2007-06-20  0:27           ` Trond Myklebust
2007-06-20  5:00             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-20 17:04             ` Bryan Henderson
2007-06-20 17:10               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-20 17:33               ` Chris Snook [this message]
2007-06-15 22:57 ` Kok, Auke
2007-06-15 23:01   ` alan
2007-06-16 11:20     ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found] <OFC119F96F.A721E445-ON882572FE.0055140A-882572FE.00571482@us.ibm.com>
2007-06-18 16:37 ` Jack Stone
2007-06-18 16:56   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-18 17:56   ` Bryan Henderson
2007-06-19  3:10     ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-19  7:49       ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19  7:58       ` Bron Gondwana
2007-06-20  2:43         ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-19  9:09       ` Martin Langhoff
2007-06-19 16:52       ` Jakub Narebski
     [not found] <8wst3-3kh-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <8wsCC-3wf-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <8wsW4-3UY-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <8wJal-3KA-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <8xm22-4Ql-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <8xq5G-32l-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <8xs7w-69W-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-06-18 20:54             ` Bodo Eggert
2007-06-18 21:08               ` alan
2007-06-18 21:31                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-18 21:34                   ` Jeremy Allison
2007-06-18 22:10                   ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-18 22:26                     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-18 21:24                       ` Brad Boyer
2007-06-19  3:15                         ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-18 22:34                       ` Jeremy Allison
2007-06-18 22:56                       ` alan
2007-06-19  7:01                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-18 22:48                     ` Jeremy Allison
2007-06-18 23:00                       ` alan
2007-06-19  7:05                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-19 16:52                         ` Jeremy Allison
2007-06-19 16:56                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-18 22:47                   ` alan

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